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Old Feb 26th, 2014, 01:37 AM   #31
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do you really think the mess in doubles will right itself? You look at many of these #2 teams and wonder how playing there in the spring can result in such high rankings.
I'm glad to see McPhillips and Cat up there. They're a good team. They were great last season as well but were never ranked. Their performance at indoors and continuing success during dual matches this season proves they belong at the top.
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Old Feb 26th, 2014, 02:11 AM   #32
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Stanford now has all 6 players in the top 40. Florida's 6 are ranked in the top 76.
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How is Duke still #1? They got beaten by UVA 5-2 last week!
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Old Feb 26th, 2014, 05:45 AM   #34
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Re: Week 1 Ranking New

I know I'm kinda new here and y'all are probably tired of my Houston stuff, but I'm confused with the singles rankings.

Vogasari was #125, has won all her matches since the last ranking including against two ranked players (one of who is still ranked), but she dropped out of the rankings? Not to mention she was close to the top 500 (WTA) in July...

How exactly do they work? Sorry for my ignorance
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I know I'm kinda new here and y'all are probably tired of my Houston stuff, but I'm confused with the singles rankings.

Vogasari was #125, has won all her matches since the last ranking including against two ranked players (one of who is still ranked), but she dropped out of the rankings? Not to mention she was close to the top 500 (WTA) in July...

How exactly do they work? Sorry for my ignorance
The latest ranking is based on computer points. The previous ranking was based on coaches poll. So although Vogasari was recognized by the coaches poll at #125, when the ITA converts each year to the computer rankings, around this time of year, Vogasari did not have enough points to be ranked. It is really apple & oranges comparison so you can't really compare last ranking to this current ranking.

Like others have said, the computer rankings really doesn't make too much sense early in the year, but moving forward it will have more results in which to compute a more sensible ranking.

What really surprised me is that Houston is ranked #30. It's not easy for a mid-major school to be ranked so high.

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Old Feb 26th, 2014, 06:54 AM   #36
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Re: Week 1 Ranking New

Thanks
And yeah they beat Washington and Washington State over the weekend (both ranked PAC 12 teams) so that probably helped a lot I assume
But I didn't expect them to go up that much.
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Old Feb 26th, 2014, 01:39 PM   #37
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The latest ranking is based on computer points. The previous ranking was based on coaches poll. So although Vogasari was recognized by the coaches poll at #125, when the ITA converts each year to the computer rankings, around this time of year, Vogasari did not have enough points to be ranked. It is really apple & oranges comparison so you can't really compare last ranking to this current ranking.
That is correct regarding the team ranking, but the singles and doubles ranking are always computer rankings. The coaches' poll is only for team rankings up until this point.

If she has been winning and dropped, the change in singles ranking probably has to do with poor performances by opponents she had previously beaten whose rankings dropped and gave her less "points". Unlike WTA/ATP rankings that are based on rounds won in a tournament regardless of opponent, ITA rankings both team and individual are based on strength of opponents.
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Re: Week 1 Ranking New

Vogasari's non-ranking is just an example of the idiocy of the ITA's non-iterative formula. Basically, her ranking is based off of where her opponents were ranked two weeks ago, so in the current rankings she is only credited with two ranked wins for the season (although she has 5 wins over players who are now in the top #125). The good news is that in the next published ranking (3/11), she will be credited with 5 ranked wins (regardless of what those 5 players do between now and then), so I'd guess she'll be ranked somewhere around 80 or 90 when those rankings come out.

I really cannot for the life of me figure out why the ITA does not properly iterate the rankings. I mean, it can be done in a second in an Excel spreadsheet for goodness sakes.
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CTSEMT that makes way too much sense for the ITA to ever do it.
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Re: Week 1 Ranking New

These team rankings might be a little more accurate:

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=ctw&sub=NCAA%20I
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These team rankings might be a little more accurate:

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=ctw&sub=NCAA%20I

Stanford is #1...I'm fine with it!


What does the last 4 columns represent?

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SoS: Strength of Schedule - played games only
SSF: Strength of Schedule - including future games
EW: Expected Wins for remainder of schedule
EL: Expected Losses for remainder of schedule
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Interesting. There does appear to be a flaw on future prediction. I think the Massey system is only anticipating future matches that have been logged into the ITA system in advance. Most school SID's appear to only create the match date as they log in each date.

Example: Predicting future schedule results for a school that is 7-1 but only has 3 future matches currently input on the ITA... but has 12 more to play... is gonna spit out false data.

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Thanks for the rankings explanation guys
She lost today (to a top 25 player) 4-6 6-7(5) so no ranking for her I guess
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Re: Week 1 Ranking New

Don't look now but these rankings went from dumb to dumber


Thanks Slickshoes!!! It's Massey Ratings from here on out...

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=ctw&sub=NCAA%20I




Women's Team Rankings
Administered by the ITA
NCAA Division I Tennis
4-Mar-14


Rank Average Team Previous Week
1 76.86 Duke University 1
2 74.19 University of Florida 5
3 70.20 UCLA 2
4 63.40 University of Alabama 10
5 63.00 University of Virginia 3
6 58.19 University of Southern California 6
7 58.08 Vanderbilt University 8
8 57.47 Northwestern University 7
9 55.94 Stanford 4 (You got to be shitting me!!!)
10 53.98 Texas A&M University 9
11 51.66 University of Georgia 12
12 49.44 North Carolina 11
13 48.93 University of Miami (Florida) 20
14 46.33 University of Oklahoma 16
15 44.92 Clemson University 15
16 44.26 California 14
17 43.56 University of Michigan 13
18 42.80 Baylor University 18
19 33.06 University of Tulsa 17
20 31.64 Auburn University 23
21 31.41 University of Houston 30
22 31.00 University of Kentucky 31
23 30.59 Georgia Tech 19
24 28.39 University of Texas at Austin 26
25 24.52 Florida State University 34
26 21.94 Rice University 21
27 20.86 Univ. of Memphis 43
28 20.41 University of Washington 24
29 19.39 Purdue University 39
30 18.83 Texas Tech University 28
31 18.53 University of Notre Dame 25
32 17.94 Wichita State University 49
33 16.98 University of Kansas 45
34 16.72 Indiana University-Bloomington 53
35 16.07 University of South Carolina 42
36 15.22 University of Illinois 27
37 14.95 Harvard University 35
38 14.75 Pepperdine 22
39 14.10 Oklahoma State University 50
40 13.86 Arizona State University 29
41 13.62 DePaul University 37
42 13.21 University of Tennessee 40
43 13.00 Columbia University 36
44 12.90 University of Utah 44
45 12.72 University of Arkansas 33
46 12.38 Wake Forest University 38
47 11.77 Louisiana State University 41
48 11.03 Georgia State University 58
49 10.98 University of Mississippi 32
50 10.69 Yale University 46
51 10.66 University of Idaho NR
52 10.54 Boston College 56
53 10.35 Washington State University 51
54 10.33 Saint Mary's College of California 47
55 10.07 Virginia Tech 48
56 10.00 University of Arizona 60
57 8.58 Long Beach State University 55
58 8.02 Kansas State NR
59 7.79 Ohio State University 52
60 7.31 University of Colorado 54
61 6.76 University of Maryland, College Park NR
62 6.66 University of South Florida 65
63 6.62 Marshall University 59
64 6.52 North Carolina State NR
65 6.40 UNLV NR
66 6.29 University of New Mexico NR
67 6.26 Old Dominion University NR
68 5.62 University of North Florida NR
69 5.56 Eastern Illinois University 71
70 5.36 TCU 61
71 5.06 Santa Clara University 64
72 4.63 Drake University NR
73 4.62 Boise State University NR
74 4.54 Liberty University NR
75 4.47 Princeton University NR
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