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Old Dec 12th, 2013, 09:39 AM   #1
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The YEC should be considered a fifth major

If people are going to call the ridiculous Australian Open (in Court's day) a major they really need to start taking the YEC into account.

Unlike the AO, the YEC didn't have a final between a top player and a player who never made it beyond the quarters of another major four times in a row.

Navratilova skipped the AO 11 times.
Evert skipped it 11 times.

Navratilova skipped the French 10 times.
Evert skipped it 5 times.

There is a problem when journeywomen who can't make it past the quarters and who are beaten in straight sets in four consecutive finals are supposed to represent the pinnacle of women's tennis competitiveness.

Plus, the YEC was even best of 5 for a number of years.

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Old Dec 12th, 2013, 09:43 AM   #2
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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

We should take into account when considering greatness, but tradition is important, and it's weird to call YEC a major, but the Aus open not. It may have been bigger, but it just can't.
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Old Dec 12th, 2013, 09:45 AM   #3
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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

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We should take into account when considering greatness, but tradition is important, and it's weird to call YEC a major, but the Aus open not. It may have been bigger, but it just can't.
Tradition, if taken into proper account, wouldn't pretend that the AO was a legitimate major. It wasn't. When top players like Evert and Navratilova skip it 11 times each it's not a real major. When the finalist four times in a row is a woman who can't make it past the quarters elsewhere it's not a real major.

World Team Tennis was considered more important by those two. Is anyone seriously going to argue that World Team Tennis is on the same level as a real major?

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Old Dec 12th, 2013, 09:45 AM   #4
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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

Propably yes! You can make a poll to, on this thread.
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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

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Tradition, if taken into proper account, wouldn't pretend that the AO was a legitimate major. It wasn't. When top players like Evert and Navratilova skip it 11 times each it's not a real major. When the finalist four times in a row is a woman who can't make it past the quarters elsewhere it's not a real major.

World Team Tennis was considered more important by those two. Is anyone seriously going to argue that World Team Tennis is on the same level as a real major?
Perhaps not then, and if it wern't so important nowdays i'd agree. But it's importance now, so it' history is important.
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Old Dec 12th, 2013, 09:49 AM   #6
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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

Shouldn't the YEC be considered as a year end event first? As opposed to a kind of year ending thing, with two events after it...
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Old Dec 12th, 2013, 09:51 AM   #7
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Shouldn't the YEC be considered as a year end event first? As opposed to a kind of year ending thing, with two events after it...
For my purposes when it's held isn't what is as important as the fact that only top-ranked players should be competing.

I would make it so that anyone who wins a major or gets to a major final that year automatically qualifies, and then go by ranking.
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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

Nah.
That would make an opening for Miami/IW to be regarded slams as well, and then - why not just ditch the regular tour and make it 8 slams a year and nothing else?

besides - the slams belong to the ITF and the YEC belongs to the WTA.
the format is completly different (agree with me that lisicki could beat a hefty lot of top10 players at Wimbledon, but the YEC is out of her league ATM)
the intensity is much harder (no full day breaks between matches)

And tradition has it as a really important event with a very nice lost of winners to it. why change it up just so you can call it a Major?
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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

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For my purposes when it's held isn't what is as important as the fact that only top-ranked players should be competing.

I would make it so that anyone who wins a major or gets to a major final that year automatically qualifies, and then go by ranking.
there are only 8 spots...
So unless someone reaches multiple finals, there are no rankings to go by.

Sharapova, while not a slam contender at every event nor every season, is easily a top5 player in the world ever since she reached that ranking.
Likewise Radwanska.

from your proposal - both might not make it in certain circumstances, despite winning P5/Mandatories, notching 50+ seasonal wins and beating other top5 players multiple times.

Bartoli, Fran, Na and Sam should all be fighting for it with the likes of Errani, Kvitty, Kerber, Woz. the first group - multiple slam finalists, the other - Elite of tennis these days, like it or not.
it won't be as competitive nor fun if the slams give weight of prize money, ranking points AND who plays an event that has nothing to do with them.
OTOH,
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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

major totals with YEC/WTA Championships factored in:

Graf: 27
Navratilova: 26
Court: 24
Evert: 22
Serena Williams: 21
King: 12
Seles: 12
Henin: 9
Goolagong: 9
Venus Williams: 8
Hingis: 7
Clijsters: 7
Sharapova: 5
Davenport: 4
Sánchez: 4
Mandlíková: 4
Wade: 4
Sabatini: 3
Capriati: 3
Austin: 3
Mauresmo: 3
Novotna: 2
Kuznetsova: 2
Pierce: 2
Kvitová: 2
Azarenka: 2
Nŕ: 1
Stosur: 1
Schiavone: 1
Bartoli: 1
Martinez: 1
Majoli: 1
Hanika: 1
Myskina: 1
Ivanovic: 1

Note that early players like Court, King, Goolagong, and Wade did not have WTA championships for most or some of their careers. Also, note that the Australian Open in particular wasn't much of a major.

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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

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Navratilova skipped the AO 11 times.
Evert skipped it 11 times.


The Australian Open in the seventies and early eighties were differnet tournaments than the Australian Open today. Rather a small tournament, with low pricemoney, bad spot in the calender (in december), a smaller draw...
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major totals with YEC/WTA Championships factored in:

Graf: 27
Navratilova: 26
Court: 24
Evert: 22
Serena Williams: 21
King: 12
Seles: 12
Henin: 9
Goolagong: 9
Venus Williams: 8
Hingis: 7
Clijsters: 7
Sharapova: 5
Davenport: 4
Sánchez: 4
Mandlíková: 4
Wade: 4
Sabatini: 3
Capriati: 3
Ivanovic: 3
Austin: 3
Mauresmo: 3
Novotna: 2
Kuznetsova: 2
Pierce: 2
Kvitová: 2
Azarenka: 2
Dementieva: 1
Nŕ: 1
Stosur: 1
Schiavone: 1
Bartoli: 1
Martinez: 1
Majoli: 1
Hanika: 1
Myskina: 1

Dementieva would have been still slamless and Ivanovic - still 1-Slam wonder if YEC had been recognized as a Slam
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How could the YEC be a major when it's not an open tournament? It wouldn't be right.
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Re: The YEC should be considered a fifth major

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there are only 8 spots...
That doesn't have to be the case. The WTA managed to have it as best of 5 for a number of years. They can have more players with best of three.
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How could the YEC be a major when it's not an open tournament? It wouldn't be right.
I think it would be right. Major = important in the English language. Facing the top players is important, especially since people are treating the majors as the gauge of player quality.
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Dementieva is on the list because she won the YEC. Ivanovic's total is where it is for the same reason.
I don't get it, neither won the YEC
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