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Old Nov 26th, 2013, 01:30 PM   #16
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Interesting. Amazing someone like Hana who has won 4 slams only won 2 events that Chris and Martina were both in. I would have figured Graf would be alot higher than 10 since she began winning alot of tournaments as early as 1986, and dominated the last 2-3 years when both Navratilova and Evert were both still on tour and near the top. I would have also guessed Goolagong being alot higher than 3 considering she was Evert's biggest rival and superior to Martina from 74-76.
Yeah, I hadn't thought about the fact that two of the Slams Hana won were Evert-less. During Graf's rise, Evert and Navratilova seemed to enter the same event less frequently. Also, Goolagong is quite surprising. She entered events with both players frequently, and sometimes beat one of them, but obviously not both very often.
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Old Dec 19th, 2013, 03:08 PM   #17
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Re: Chris and Martina in the Same Event

I think Jaeger did not. She beat Martina in the semis in the Colgate championships in 1981 but her win over Chris in the Round-Robin was a walk-over.
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I think Jaeger did not. She beat Martina in the semis in the Colgate championships in 1981 but her win over Chris in the Round-Robin was a walk-over.
That's right Jeanmi18. Chris got sick that year with the flu I think. Young little Rollo was dissapointed because I was going to see Evert for the first time in person that year. I didn't get to see her until her very last year on tour-1989!

The Colgate event was played in the first week of 1981. At the time it was really considered the last event of 1980. I'm one of the few Tracy Austin fans around, but when Tracy won the event (killing Jaeger in the final) she tried to claim she was #1!

In Austin's view she had 2 majors (the Avon finale and the Colgate finale) to Evert's 1 (Tracy didn't count the French!).

Austin was selling, but no one was buying. Everyone agreed Evert was #1 for 1980. To my mind it was her best year ever outside of 1976. too bad she skipped the Aussie!
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Re: Chris and Martina in the Same Event

Gotta admire Tracy's audacity! Austin did of course briefly become #1 in the summer of 1980, I think, but I was wondering how much that was a result of Evert "retiring" during the first months of 1980? Was it fair and square or was she helped by both Evert and Navratilova going through slumps at that time?

Continuing on the bitter Evert-Austin rivalry, it is interesting that after Evert had conquered her demons and defeated Austin using great all-court play in the famous 1980 US Open final, she was drawn in the same half of the draw as Tracy at Wimbledon in 1981 and 1982. I think Chris would have schooled Tracy on grass if they had met, but both times Tracy lost to a serve-and-volleyer (Shriver, King). They were even seeded to meet at Wimbledon in 1983 as well, but Tracy withdrew and Evert lost anyway in R3 to Kathy Jordan.
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Re: Chris and Martina in the Same Event

thanks for the evert/austin draw information.. one could only imagine if evert and austin played for the 80 wimby final BEFORE of course their u.s. open battle what the outcome would have been?...

and yes, 1981 on grass? evert was the better grass court player i think but that i don't know if it would mean a whole lot especially in 1981 when it was still a mind game between the two...

in 1982 i'm sure evert was expecting to play austin instead of king, since austin had never lost to king before. would have love to seen a 1982 match at wimby between evert and austin! one would think evert would have the edge at that time if only because she had been playing much more with more regularity than austin....

in 1983? i think this would be even more clearly to evert's advantage over austin who was declining as it was for the good part of what a year already?
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So we do not take into account Martina's defection but yes sickness of Chris Evert. If I see the list of the players Martina is the only one who had to switch countries and leave her family.
It is even amazing she ended on the winning side of the rivalry after losing so many early.
Also attacking players mature more slowly in their game then baseliners. Baseline is easy you know,that is why we see so many of them today.
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So we do not take into account Martina's defection but yes sickness of Chris Evert. If I see the list of the players Martina is the only one who had to switch countries and leave her family.
It is even amazing she ended on the winning side of the rivalry after losing so many early.
Also attacking players mature more slowly in their game then baseliners. Baseline is easy you know,that is why we see so many of them today.
We're talking about one instance of a default here, Martina...uh...I mean Wimbledon 9.
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Also attacking players mature more slowly in their game then baseliners. Baseline is easy you know,that is why we see so many of them today.
No doubt though you are right when it comes to attacking--it really does take longer to mature. As a lefty myself it took me years to develop my volleying game. I love to attack, so watching Navratilova videos is not just fun but instructional

If Martina played today she wouldn't serve and volley on a regular basis and win slams. My vision is a sort of Amelie Mauresmo with stronger nerves. Martina remains as the last female serve and volley champion, unless you count Novotna, who was always more of a hybrid to me.
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No doubt though you are right when it comes to attacking--it really does take longer to mature. As a lefty myself it took me years to develop my volleying game. I love to attack, so watching Navratilova videos is not just fun but instructional

If Martina played today she wouldn't serve and volley on a regular basis and win slams. My vision is a sort of Amelie Mauresmo with stronger nerves. Martina remains as the last female serve and volley champion, unless you count Novotna, who was always more of a hybrid to me.
Is Mauresmo really a serve and volleyer though. I think her as more an all court player (even a bit more baseliner) who is just one of the rare few who comes in alot as well.
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