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Old Oct 4th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #31
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Old Oct 4th, 2013, 06:05 PM   #32
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No one will remember Jobs or Williams in 50 years time.
I totally agree. But what can you expect from a US-based magazine that has to come up with 'the US is great' story week in and week out to attract advertising dollars

I used to buy TIME or Newsweek in the past, but I have found it's better to buy the daily International Herald Tribune, which is not so superficial and contains more interesting stories than these two weeklies.

And Serena is hardly a tennis genius, she's most of all a terrific athlete with great fitness and power. That's why the more talented Hingis was much more successful at an early age, until Serena grew big and powerful and started dominating.

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This.

Plus it is Serena's second time on the cover of Time Magazine. Very impressive

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Serena (and Venus) ushered in a renaissance of non-white players into women's tennis. She is a black icon, the female Ali. She will never be forgotten. Seethe!
He doesn't know how much weight it carry that Serena is Black.
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I totally agree. But what can you expect from a US-based magazine that has to come up with 'the US is great' story week in and week out to attract advertising dollars
If it was purely to attract advertising dollars, why wouldn't they choose a less controversial figure? Serena's popular but I don't think she's the most popular athlete in the US. I'm curious to know what they wrote about her.


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And Serena is hardly a tennis genius, she's most of all a terrific athlete with great fitness and power. That's why the more talented Hingis was much more successful at an early age, until Serena grew big and powerful and started dominating.
Oh come on. I don't know if you are just a hater or a fool but Serena doesn't win because she's big and strong. Have you tried hitting a tennis ball as hard as you can? Does it land in court? Serena has excellent technique for much of her game bar around the net. She is a skilled player, and a very good tactician.
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He doesn't know how much weight it carry that Serena is Black.
Let them live in their Eurocentric bubbles of reality. Serena will never be forgotten by people of color.
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If it was purely to attract advertising dollars, why wouldn't they choose a less controversial figure? Serena's popular but I don't think she's the most popular athlete in the US. I'm curious to know what they wrote about her.
They have Jobs and Serena there, not just Serena. They are just riding the wave of who is CURRENTLY popular: Serena is now world No. 1 tennnis player and Apple is the world's No. 1 brand RIGHT NOW.

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Oh come on. I don't know if you are just a hater or a fool but Serena doesn't win because she's big and strong. Have you tried hitting a tennis ball as hard as you can? Does it land in court? Serena has excellent technique for much of her game bar around the net. She is a skilled player, and a very good tactician.
Absolutely, but would you call her a GENIUS in the same sentence as EINSTEIN or SHAKESPEARE?

If yes, then
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She will be one of the great players of tennis history but you are right in so far as 95% of people at least will not know who she was by then. It's in the nature of sports stars that their public profile fades rapidly once they stop playing.

Shakespeare is still a household name nearly 400 years after he died. It's a safe bet that both Williams and jobs will have faded into obscurity by then.

No doubt Time magazine wanted to feature a couple of modern faces on their cover for this story. It's also an American magazine so they probably wanted an American or two represented. But I'm sure they're not suggesting that Williams and Jobs' achievements rank anything close to those of Shakespeare and Einstein. At least if they are then the editor is a complete fuckwit.
Fully agreed. It was my kneejerk reaction and perhaps I shouldn't have made that comment as it ruffled some feathers. People can be exceptional in various professions and disciplines, a business genius or an industrial design genius aren't less valuable or less worth examining because the long-term impact of their activity is smaller than a scientist's or a writer's.
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I'm not hating, just stating. And people are talking about BJK as one of the founders of WTA and 13-times slam champ, but outside of tennis her influence is slim to none.

And 50 years from now they'll put a popular athlete of that era on such cover.

It just struck me immediately upon seeing the Time cover that Williams' and Jobs' influence will be inexorably limited to the era they lived in, whereas Shakespeare and particularly Einstein's influence is more everlasting.

I guess that explains why BJK was honored by the President of the United States.


As for Serena Williams, she will be remembered 50 years from now whether you like it or not.

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Not Serena by herself, rather the Williams sisters have booked their place in the history books as some of the greatest athletes of all time. Man or woman. They wont be forgotten in 50 years.


Awesome accomplishment for a living legend.
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Old Oct 4th, 2013, 06:41 PM   #42
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No one will remember Jobs or Williams in 50 years time.
You might be right about Jobs. (Although Henry Ford lives on in memory. Eli Whitney. Alexander Graham Bell.) But in sports, especially nowadays with so much video, it's hard to get forgotten if you were truly great. Sonny Liston was Mike Tyson before Mike Tyson. Babe Didricksen Zaharias died in 1956. Still considered by some the greatest female athlete of all time. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/siforwomen/top_100/1/. Dorothy Hammill's Olympic gold was 37 years ago. Think at least a few people on this board will remember her 13 years from now?

And of course, Serena had the great good fortune to be performing during the explosion of social media.

Serena Williams, at the moment, is the greatest female athlete in the world. She's had a long career with many accomplishments and a high level of visibility. And virtually all of those accomplishments were recorded on video. I have a feeling she'll be remembered in 50 years.
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An insult to Shakespeare's cheating ass?

Serena Williams has been the face, body, and talent of Women's tennis for so long. Deal with it.
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I'm not hating, just stating. And people are talking about BJK as one of the founders of WTA and 13-times slam champ, but outside of tennis her influence is slim to none.
One of the greatest positive influences on women's rights in the USA in the last century.

(She's not up there with Shakespeare and Einstein, but that's some seriously rarified air. Nobody in the history of sports is up there.)
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