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Old Jun 23rd, 2013, 08:42 AM   #316
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They basically said that the Serena-Grigor thing did happen then in September the Patrick-Serena thing happened and Grigor left the Moratoglou academy and then Maria-Grigor happened. The other thing they said that I found interesting is that this is between Maria and Serena really and Grigor is just caught in the crossfire. That Serena is bothered that he dated the one girl she has a rivalry off the court with and feels insecure about. And then they said that Grigor is not how Serena described him (the whole black heart thing) that he's a good guy so for her to say that it's really about Maria she's bothered about.
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Old Jun 23rd, 2013, 10:10 AM   #317
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Me and AnnieWillIKnow were discussing this podcast yesterday and you guys should hear it. They say why they are absolutely sure Serena was talking about Maria and you can hear some stuff we don't know about it.
http://nochallengesremaining.podbean...ledon-preview/
this podcast is SO interesting to listen to. Comes from a journalists point of view trying to deal with other 'hit-and-run' journalists who drag tennis players without watching the sport itself
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this podcast is SO interesting to listen to. Comes from a journalists point of view trying to deal with other 'hit-and-run' journalists who drag tennis players without watching the sport itself
Yeah that whole episode was really interesting.
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What I gathered:

Masha's comeback was pre-medidated...that if you go for her, she'll come for you
She made it a point to go after Patrick - it was going Chernobyl

Serena/Patrick is never discussed in the media, we all go around with 'wink-wink' and we know but it's never talked about.
What Maria said was a kill shot, quite possibly the most spectacular volley she could hit all tournament
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What I understood was that Maria was particularly bothered by Serena's comment because she exposes Maria's personal life to the public this way and also draws attention to the whole Grigor-Serena rumor. So she made that comment to make a point that Serena can't judge other people's personal lives without being judged herself. After hearing that podcast I can now understand a little better why Maria would be that bothered by Serena's comments and why she answered the way she did.
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The problem I have with Maria's comment is that she included Patrick's divorce and kids. Could have said Serena should be focusing on her own relationships and left it at that. Dragging the ex and kids into this (who have absolutely no part in this btw) was an unnecessary cheap shot, imo.
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The problem I have with Maria's comment is that she included Patrick's divorce and kids. Could have said Serena should be focusing on her own relationships and left it at that. Dragging the ex and kids into this (who have absolutely no part in this btw) was an unnecessary cheap shot, imo.
Yeah it was and I wouldn't have gone that far but sometimes people need a taste of their own medicine.
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Yeh cos those people were actually in the pr, and not looking for salacious gossip like the likes of Cronin
Thought it was interesting that they reference the 07 match between them where Masha hit Rena with an overhead and Rena called her a 'bitch'. Saying that people (which relates to a lot of Rena posters on GM) that say 'Maria's gonna get killed next time' really is a stupid thing to say because she's already been beaten so badly by Serena before, so in essence she has nothing to lose and that maybe the overhead tried to shake Serena off.

But anyway I thought it was great of Masha to stand up for herself. They discussed that Masha had quite obviously discussed what she was going to say with Max, and that what she said in regards to the supposed Top 5 comment didn't come out of nowhere, there's obviously tension between the two that noone else knows
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Yeah it was and I wouldn't have gone that far but sometimes people need a taste of their own medicine.

Still, Serena had the presence of mind to not say Maria's name in those (off record/on record) RS comments, and I expected more from Masha. The ex and kids have nothing to do with Serena's behavior and should be off limits.

Serena and her PR team had a whole day to work this out and this could get really ugly.


Also, no disrespect, but how would Courtney & Ben know alladat. I know they're journalists, but Camp Pova and Team Serena are very close knit and hardly any inside info ever transpires... it's all speculation at this point.
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we need some whatsapp screenshots from Grigor.
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Yeh cos those people were actually in the pr, and not looking for salacious gossip like the likes of Cronin
Thought it was interesting that they reference the 07 match between them where Masha hit Rena with an overhead and Rena called her a 'bitch'. Saying that people (which relates to a lot of Rena posters on GM) that say 'Maria's gonna get killed next time' really is a stupid thing to say because she's already been beaten so badly by Serena before, so in essence she has nothing to lose and that maybe the overhead tried to shake Serena off.

But anyway I thought it was great of Masha to stand up for herself. They discussed that Masha had quite obviously discussed what she was going to say with Max, and that what she said in regards to the supposed Top 5 comment didn't come out of nowhere, there's obviously tension between the two that noone else knows
Exactly. That's what I've been saying the whole time. Maria is a pro when it comes to the media. She knew what she was getting into she doesn't get baited into this things. It's obvious she discussed this with Max before deciding to "go there" and maybe even with Grigor as well because I doubt she knew that much about the Patrick-Serena relationship on her own . And for her to do this, which is something she's never done before in her career, there's obviously a lot more going on there than we think.
She might also have been bothered by the whole black heart portrayal of Grigor, which might draw people to conclusions that are not correct or about what happened between Serena and him. I think in general Maria was bothered that Serena went there and drew attention to things Maria would have preferred to have kept to herself. But the thing Maria didn't realize was because of the rape controversy no one really paid much attention to the other thing. So if she hadn't said anything this wouldn't have blown out the way it did
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Re: Wimbledon 2013: Reminiscences of Green Grass

What I think is, Max gave her two options:
- Discuss what Serena said, leave out Patrick
- Discuss what Serena said, include Patrick (if you're feeling pissed off mid interview )

Like Courtney said, she went all-out Chernobyl
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Still, Serena had the presence of mind to not say Maria's name in those (off record/on record) RS comments, and I expected more from Masha. The ex and kids have nothing to do with Serena's behavior and should be off limits.

Serena and her PR team had a whole day to work this out and this could get really ugly.


Also, no disrespect, but how would Courtney & Ben know alladat. I know they're journalists, but Camp Pova and Team Serena are very close knit and hardly any inside info ever transpires... it's all speculation at this point.
They made it clear they knew about Grigor and Serena and in general that it was known between the tennis community. And they also said some other stuff which they said was just speculation. So I think that if they weren't sure they wouldn't have said it this way. They also said the tennis journalists who work with the tennis players on a daily basis know a lot of stuff about who is dating who ect. ect. and other stuff like this that the public can't imagine but they just don't go around and publish everything they know because that takes away from the tennis and the trust they have created with the players.
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Yeah, that podcast was really interesting, and I agree with a lot of things they said.

Like for one that Maria has nothing to lose when playing Serena, her comments are obviously not gonna make a difference. Serena has always disliked Maria ever since she beat her at Wimbledon. Also, the fact they both have things the other wants. Maria wants the on-court (Slam) success, and Serena the off-court (glamour) success.

Maria knew what she was saying. She wasn't baited in saying anything she didn't want to say. She went there on her own. At the same time though, I don't see anything wrong with what she said. It's mostly just a wonderful story for the media.
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