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XWTA King Serena 49 30.82%
Claycourt King Sharapova 42 26.42%
Undefeated in 2013 Azarenka 14 8.81%
Ex-vulture Radwanska 9 5.66%
Former RG Champion Madame Li 14 8.81%
Angie "Butcher's grand daughter" Kerber 1 0.63%
Sara "Clay MM super champion" Errani 3 1.89%
Katowice Slam Runner-up Petra Kvitova 3 1.89%
Bogota Slam Winner JJ 14 8.81%
other 10 6.29%
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Old May 4th, 2013, 10:55 AM   #136
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What the hell ? On clay Maria has made pretty clear to be ahead of anyone INCLUDING Serena and Vika. It's not Maria's fault if Serena and Vika are the least of her concerns on the red dirt, she did beat the best claycourters and convincingly (Na, twice : Stosur, twice : Petra, twice)
Serena and Vika need to improve to reach her in the latter rounds of those red clay events just like Maria has to improve to beat them on HC, but Maria is getting there she did beat Vika in their last meeting on HC. You don't seem to understand that Maria's biggest rivals on red clay are NOT Serena and Vika.
now you just reaching.
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Old May 4th, 2013, 10:57 AM   #137
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I wouldn't say that but she is ahead of the rest.

Anyway you got the part about Vika and Serena not being Maria's biggest threats on clay, that's all matters.
How is Serena not Maria's biggest threat on clay? She has never beaten the woman on clay and never beaten her anywhere in over 8 years. Serena is ALWAYS a threat to Maria. Maria just has to sit and hope she doesn't make it far enough to play her. Therefore, hope for her to flop. My point ALL ALONG.
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oh doomsy I appreciate flattery but seriously Petra and best claycourter?
He's obviously referring to Errani, beating her in a slam final is just so impressive!
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How is Serena not Maria's biggest threat on clay? She has never beaten the woman on clay and never beaten her anywhere in over 8 years. Serena is ALWAYS a threat to Maria. Maria just has to sit and hope she doesn't make it far enough to play her. Therefore, hope for her to flop. My point ALL ALONG.
Don't get me wrong. I would favor Serena over Maria on red clay just because of the matchup issue but it's very unlikely to see that matchup happen because of Serena's success on red clay and now that they're N1 and N2 they can only meet in finals, odds to see them playing each other in finals on this surface is even more slim.
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Well, she has potential on the surface and is certainly a better claycourter than Vika.
She has potential but needs miles of work, if only she had JJ's movement on clay
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How is Serena not Maria's biggest threat on clay? She has never beaten the woman on clay and never beaten her anywhere in over 8 years. Serena is ALWAYS a threat to Maria. Maria just has to sit and hope she doesn't make it far enough to play her. Therefore, hope for her to flop. My point ALL ALONG.

Maria has never beaten Serena on red clay because she has never met her on red clay and it's not Masha's fault , it's just Serena and her absence of claygame on red clay.
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Speaking of clay, are you guys happy given Blue bit the dust?
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I'm not, that hue was beautiful.
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Speaking of clay, are you guys happy given Blue bit the dust?
it looked unnatural , it was like lemonade in comparison with fresh juice . I wouldn't like it even if it had same characteristics as red clay
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it looked unnatural , it was like lemonade in comparison with fresh juice . I wouldn't like it even if it had same characteristics as red clay
But red clay is also dyed during the manufacturing process, so whining about blue clay being unnatural is just
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You need to know majority of the people here sit on couches and don't do any sports (don't talk about tennis), so they have no idea what they are talking about


I´d like to know how playing icehockey or basketball would help somebody evaluate the claycourt tennis skills of Petra Kvitova.

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But red clay is also dyed during the manufacturing process, so whining about blue clay being unnatural is just
it seems to me that you are wrong

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It all starts with the original, red clay. Iron oxide is extracted from the clay, producing a white clay, which is then treated with a water-based blue dye for 24 hours prior to drying. The clay then goes through a cooking process, where it is heated to a temperature between 900 to 950 degrees. The clay is then ground and sifted to an exact grain size. Two layers of blue clay are placed on the court, with the first layer being a much finer grain, which serves to set the base.

The iron oxide is removed at the start of the process to produce a white clay, simply because the original red clay cannot be directly dyed to the desired blue color.
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I'm not, that hue was beautiful.
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I distinctly remember that on the tournament's website they compared manufacturing processes and the red clay was also said to be dyed. They took the article down though and I may be wrong, my memory is not what it used to be. Still, I do prefer that blue color.

NID that BMS, the only in-form qualifier, would land in Aga's section.
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