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Old Feb 24th, 2013, 08:22 PM   #226
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When Maria's serve and groundstrokes are on Vika stands no chance .

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Old Feb 24th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #228
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USO first set .
Yes, but lets face it. Azarenka was just poor in that set. At one point in that set her W/UE ratio was 1-10. Vika usually comes very prepared when she faces Maria, so we can't expect that to happen again.

I do think Maria NEEDS to raise her level when she plays Vika in order to make it competitive and preferably win, but at the moment, she definitely wouldn't be the favorite vs Vika on HC

So, hopefully, Maria will be able to play great tennis in their next HC match, serve well and be patient and well focused
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Old Feb 24th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #229
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Yes, but lets face it. Azarenka was just poor in that set. At one point in that set her W/UE ratio was 1-10. Vika usually comes very prepared when she faces Maria, so we can't expect that to happen again.

I do think Maria NEEDS to raise her level when she plays Vika in order to make it competitive and preferably win, but at the moment, she definitely wouldn't be the favorite vs Vika on HC

So, hopefully, Maria will be able to play great tennis in their next HC match, serve well and be patient and well focused

Exactly. Even when Maria is on, Vika will always at least stand a chance and pose a threat. Not saying she would beat her, but if both of them are playing well, the match will be very competitive and decided on who steps up when it counts and wins the "important" points.
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Well, hopefully Vika will cool down in the near future and start declining

Sorry for being a bitch, but it wouldn't bother me at all
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I'd be interested to see whether Vika would be able to come back from a shoulder injury like Masha's (something I still don't think she gets enough credit for).
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I'd be interested to see whether Vika would be able to come back from a shoulder injury like Masha's (something I still don't think she gets enough credit for).
Cheatrenka already proved that even when she is extremely injured she is capable of playing great tennis.
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I'd be interested to see whether Vika would be able to come back from a shoulder injury like Masha's (something I still don't think she gets enough credit for).
You're absoulutely right! It's painful to watch how naturally fluid Maria played tennis before her shoulder injury, not just the serves but also volleys and ground strokes. She doesn't play like that now because she can't feel her shoulder as before.

Maria worked her tail off on her fitness and stamina to stay in the game but the finesse is a different story.
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I'd be interested to see whether Vika would be able to come back from a shoulder injury like Masha's (something I still don't think she gets enough credit for).
IMO no way. Everyone has been praising Azarenka's mental improvement, and while she probably has improved in that department, she is still NOWHERE near Maria. Every single time Azarenka loses, she is pissed (clearly it's her own fault, nothing to do with opponent playing simply better), chucks a tantrum. Practically every time Maria has beaten her she has played an injury card. Stuttgart, YEC...just ridiculous. It's not the mentality of a fighter. Anyone can look like a mental giant when they are winning...but when she is losing, she looks like a spoiled kid that just got told they aren't getting an ice-cream.

She has had to face 0 adversity. I certainly would not wish it upon her at all. People in here can slam Maria for her groundstrokes and praise Azarenka for being light years ahead. Whatever. BUT, the one thing people wont get away with is even suggesting she comes close to Maria in the fighter/mentality department. As I said, acting immature and spoiled when losing isn't the sign of a mental champion.
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I'd be interested to see whether Vika would be able to come back from a shoulder injury like Masha's (something I still don't think she gets enough credit for).
It's being brought up in pretty much every other match. Everyone who knows tennis and understands how serious her injury was is giving her plenty of credit. Especially considering how "easy" it would have been for her to walk away from tennis considering she's set for life and beyond already.

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IMO no way. Everyone has been praising Azarenka's mental improvement, and while she probably has improved in that department, she is still NOWHERE near Maria. Every single time Azarenka loses, she is pissed (clearly it's her own fault, nothing to do with opponent playing simply better), chucks a tantrum. Practically every time Maria has beaten her she has played an injury card. Stuttgart, YEC...just ridiculous. It's not the mentality of a fighter. Anyone can look like a mental giant when they are winning...but when she is losing, she looks like a spoiled kid that just got told they aren't getting an ice-cream.

She has had to face 0 adversity. I certainly would not wish it upon her at all. People in here can slam Maria for her groundstrokes and praise Azarenka for being light years ahead. Whatever. BUT, the one thing people wont get away with is even suggesting she comes close to Maria in the fighter/mentality department. As I said, acting immature and spoiled when losing isn't the sign of a mental champion.

That's Serena down to a T. It's their way of coping, but in my opinion says nothing about their work ethic or actual mental strength. Maria and Serena are in her league of their own when it comes to believing in themselves until the very end on court, but just because Vika appears to be a bratty little bitch at times, doesn't mean she wouldn't have the determination to come back from a serious injury as well. IIRC, Serena has long been accused of acting like a brat, never giving her opponents any credit and being more interested in being a celebrity than a professional tennis player, yet here she is, the oldest female No.1 ever at 31 years of age, current Olympic, Wimbledon, US Open and Y.E.C. Champion - and all of that after multiple serious injuries that kept her out of the game for months at a time.
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This is a question for Maria fans, because you guys have obviously watched Maria play more over the years. Serena believes when she plays well she'll win. That she's the best there is and if she loses it's because she didn't play at her best level (and most of the time that is the case). I feel Azarenka believes this too. That if she plays her best she'll win (except against maybe Serena), but she clearly considers herself head and shoulders above the field (again, except maybe Serena).

Do you think Maria has this same belief? That she is the best player on tour. That if she plays her best she'll beat everyone. I feel like she's felt this at times in her career, but never after the injury. She seems cautious and is maybe lacking that ultimate belief that is crucial for a champion?
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That's Serena down to a T. It's their way of coping, but in my opinion says nothing about their work ethic or actual mental strength. Maria and Serena are in her league of their own when it comes to believing in themselves until the very end on court, but just because Vika appears to be a bratty little bitch at times, doesn't mean she wouldn't have the determination to come back from a serious injury as well. IIRC, Serena has long been accused of acting like a brat, never giving her opponents any credit and being more interested in being a celebrity than a professional tennis player, yet here she is, the oldest female No.1 ever at 31 years of age, current Olympic, Wimbledon, US Open and Y.E.C. Champion - and all of that after multiple serious injuries that kept her out of the game for months at a time.
I've never seen Sarina play the injury card anywhere near as often though. I get the whole not giving your opponent credit thing. But using an injury in consecutive losses to Maria? Come on. That's just a defeatist attitude and Sarina would never. The extremely injured comment from Maria was by far my all time favourite of hers. Not because it was bitchy. Because it was so freaking true Way to detract from when your opponent is simply playing far too good...make it all about you.
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This is a question for Maria fans, because you guys have obviously watched Maria play more over the years. Serena believes when she plays well she'll win. That she's the best there is and if she loses it's because she didn't play at her best level (and most of the time that is the case). I feel Azarenka believes this too. That if she plays her best she'll win (except against maybe Serena), but she clearly considers herself head and shoulders above the field (again, except maybe Serena).

Do you think Maria has this same belief? That she is the best player on tour. That if she plays her best she'll beat everyone. I feel like she's felt this at times in her career, but never after the injury. She seems cautious and is maybe lacking that ultimate belief that is crucial for a champion?
Azarenka doesn't hit people off the court. She relies on a very very consistent game. She barely does a thing wrong. What separates her from other counterpunchers is that she has the ability to create angles and pace. However, she will always be prone to potentially losing to the likes of Sarina, Maria, Petra - these players that can hit her off the court when having a good day. Her game is too consistent, and too good for the vast majority of the tour. However, there are certain match-ups where the match is not on her racquet. I am unsure as to how she can have a mentality that she simply cant lose when a large part of her own game relies on her opponents missing (forced + unforced errors). She doesn't have the Sarina ability to hit people off the court and raise her game through multiple gears. The comparison between her and Sarina simply boggles me.
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This is a question for Maria fans, because you guys have obviously watched Maria play more over the years. Serena believes when she plays well she'll win. That she's the best there is and if she loses it's because she didn't play at her best level (and most of the time that is the case). I feel Azarenka believes this too. That if she plays her best she'll win (except against maybe Serena), but she clearly considers herself head and shoulders above the field (again, except maybe Serena).

Do you think Maria has this same belief? That she is the best player on tour. That if she plays her best she'll beat everyone. I feel like she's felt this at times in her career, but never after the injury. She seems cautious and is maybe lacking that ultimate belief that is crucial for a champion?


I think all the top players believe that every match they play is on their racket. I don't know if Maria has that belief when she's playing Serena, but I'm almost certain she has it against everyone else.


@Lachy: You don't have to hit someone off the court in order to beat them. Justine didn't hit anyone off the court, yet win against pretty much anyone and any type of player.
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I try to avoid the "What if" question in regards to Maria's shoulder. For example, you can wonder how Serena would cope with having her biggest weapon, her serve, turn into her biggest liability, which is pretty much what happened to Maria. How would Serena deal with 15 DFs a match and getting broken routinely? Would she have the fortitude to fight through it and rely on other aspects? Maria certainly has done a commendable job to get where she is these past 4 years.

But Maria is hardly the first player to face adversity. So many others can play the "What if" card and it opens up too many hypotheticals that it makes your head spin trying to calculate how many more titles so and so would have won . What if Serena never stepped on that glass? What if she didn't need knee surgery early in her career? What if Venus never got that disease? What if Seles was never stabbed? What if Hingis didn't develop foot problems? What if Kim didn't want to start a family until her 30s? What if Henin stayed healthy and didn't retire young? And on and on.

Yeah, Vika has had it easy health wise so far, but who's to say how she will cope with a serious injury until it happens. Maria's done a great job. Serena's done a great job. Seles really did a remarkable job. And I should be more openly appreciative of where Maria has gotten to in her career after surgery because she's worked so hard. We'll never know the physical and mental toll it's taken on her. It's just hard to think about things in that perspective when Maria is still in the thick of things competing at a top 5 level. She gets close to winning, but you keep seeing those same mistakes and those same losses to those same players and your emotions take over.
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