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Old Feb 12th, 2013, 05:46 PM   #16
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

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you can whore yourself in promo events and not play to avoid it
I don't think so ... by whoring yourself in promo events, you only avoid the fine for withdrawing late

for example when Shuai Peng was supposed to be the top SEED in SEWTA Dallas 2011, she withdrew late and flew to Dallas and did an autograph signing to avoid a fee

but if a top 10 player withdraws from a Premier 5 or a Premier 700, they get a 0 no matter what they do
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Old Feb 12th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #17
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

So lack of commitment, irresponsability and overall laziness are qualities to praise now?!
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Old Feb 12th, 2013, 05:50 PM   #18
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

Explain how showing up will avoid a zero-pointer. How many points would the WTA assign to a player for not playing? Of if you can paste the WTA rules about avoiding ZPs that would be appreciated.
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Explain how showing up will avoid a zero-pointer. How many points would the WTA assign to a player for not playing? Of if you can paste the WTA rules about avoiding ZPs that would be appreciated.
Na Li withdrew from Doha 2013 even though she was commited as a top 10 player ... therefore she gets a 0 and it must count as one of her best 16 ... originally she had 125 points as her 16th result and now it is deducted from her ranking total

if Na flew to Doha and retired in her 1st match (like Kirilenko) she would receive 1 point for Doha but it would not count as part of her best 16 so she keeps her 125 points

this is exactly what Viktoria did in Montreal 2012
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

They should just do it atp style. The tier 1s must count towards your total if you make the main draw. Forces the players to schedule a bit smarter as well.
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Old Feb 12th, 2013, 05:58 PM   #21
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

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I don't think so ... by whoring yourself in promo events, you only avoid the fine for withdrawing late

for example when Shuai Peng was supposed to be the top SEED in SEWTA Dallas 2011, she withdrew late and flew to Dallas and did an autograph signing to avoid a fee

but if a top 10 player withdraws from a Premier 5 or a Premier 700, they get a 0 no matter what they do
You have to whore yourself for a whole 3 days to avoid it
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Old Feb 12th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #22
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

new addition based on Doha: Angelique Kerber

although hardly can blame her ... it is her 1st time in the top 10 and with potential to get a piece of that Bonus Pool ... of course she shows up in Doha even though she is injured
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They only have to play 4 Premier 5.
There's no excuse to tank Doha if you can skip it.
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Old Feb 12th, 2013, 07:55 PM   #24
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They only have to play 4 Premier 5.
There's no excuse to tank Doha if you can skip it.
they must decide at the beginning of the year which 4 of the 5 Premier 5 they will play ... so if Doha is one of them they will get a 0 if they skip it
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Old Feb 12th, 2013, 10:27 PM   #25
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yes it makes a difference ... for example she plays 15 events and has 2 0s then she can only count her best 14 ... it could make a difference in whether she is #1 or #2

remember last year Aga Roma Radwanska would have been SEWTA #1 is Azarenka had not showed up in Rome and played a match
Since 2010 Maria has played (and I mean played in person) 13 WTA events each three past years so there's not a chance she exceeds the 16 limit regardless of the "0". And two of those "0" are counted in because she hasn't played a single International since Auckland 2011 (since she stopped playing Birmingham, her trademark MM in the past). Current ranking lists Maria as having played 16 events but those are 13 scores + Olympics + four zeros "0" (two MM and one for Rogers Cup from which she has withdrawn). One of those zeros (Doha) is replaced by the Olympics though. So, effectively two of those "0" don't count since MM aren't mandatory.
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you can't blame them!
I prefer play a match and retire than having a zero in both rankings and money!lol
Why don't leave the chance to a healthy player and leave the audience a proper match?
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Am I detecting 'shade' with the laughing smiley next to Maria's name?
i would laugh too tbh. 4(?) 0-pointers
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Current ranking lists Maria as having played 16 events but those are 13 scores + Olympics + four zeros "0" (two MM and one for Rogers Cup from which she has withdrawn). One of those zeros (Doha) is replaced by the Olympics though. So, effectively two of those "0" don't count since MM aren't mandatory.
Its 13 events + three zeros (Charleston, Montreal and Cincinnati). These zeros do not effect her ranking right now, but one more missed commitment would mean that she would lose at least 225 points.
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They should just do it atp style. The tier 1s must count towards your total if you make the main draw. Forces the players to schedule a bit smarter as well.
That's exactly how it works.
I always laugh when people criticize the way the WTA schedule is set up, when an almost identical counterpart in the Masters/ATP 500 system flourishes successfully on the ATP.
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

When did Caroline do this? I have no recollections and the only times I can ever remember her retiring she was genuinely injured or sick (Zheng, Kremer, Wozniak). In the Kremer match, she retired up 75 50 because she knew she wouldn't be able to play the next round. If you're referring to any of her first round losses, I think she just got beat in all of those. You can't tell me she didn't try last year vs Safarova as she had a match point. Same idea for McHale x2 and Vinci. Or it could just be I have a selective memory when it comes to her.
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