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Old Feb 8th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #736
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Re: Fed Cup Thread Vol 2: WGII: Deutschland - Frankreich in Limoges! 09.-10.Februar

So schlecht ist Lisicki aber jetzt nicht auf Sand, wenn man sich mal die Bilanz auf den unterschiedlichen Belägen anschaut.

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Hartplatz draußen:           57:47 54,8%
Sand:                        21:17 55,3%
Rasen:                       21: 8 72,4%
Halle (Hartplatz + Teppich): 10:13 43,5%
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Old Feb 8th, 2013, 05:32 PM   #737
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Re: Fed Cup Thread Vol 2: WGII: Deutschland - Frankreich in Limoges! 09.-10.Februar

Lisicki Rote Asche Bilanz 2012: Null Siege !

Görges Fed Cup Bilanz Einzel (ohne dead rubber): 2-5

+ beide sind mental sehr schwach, vor allem im Fed Cup
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Re: Fed Cup Thread Vol 2: WGII: Deutschland - Frankreich in Limoges! 09.-10.Februar

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Die aktuelle Kerber hat mit der alten wenig gemein.
Eben. Angelique ist jetzt (seit US Open 2011) eine ganz neue Spielerin. Da irgendwelche alten Statistiken rauszukramen ist völliger Quatsch. Angelique hat 2012 das Viertelfinale der French Open erreicht. So viel zur Sand-Schwäche. Und Angie ist konstant, verlässlich, mental stark. Alles das, was Julia und Sabine nicht sind
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Old Feb 8th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #739
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Re: Fed Cup Thread Vol 2: WGII: Deutschland - Frankreich in Limoges! 09.-10.Februar

Ich hatte vor ein paar Tagen doch mal die 2012er Sand-Bilanz der Spielerinnen gepostet, da war Kerber eindeutig und mit Abstand die stärkste. Im Übrigen hat sie aktuell mehr Rankingpunkte als Julia, Sabine und Annika zusammen. Das jetzt als "nicht so schlimm"-Ausfall hinzustellen ist schon albern.
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Re: Fed Cup Thread Vol 2: WGII: Deutschland - Frankreich in Limoges! 09.-10.Februar

2012 war Lisicki in der Sandsaison auch verletzt


Außerdem hier so zu tun als wäre Kerber der Garant im Fed Cup für siege, ist einfach nur blödsinnig. Kerber hat bis heute kein einzig wirklich entscheidendes Fed Cup Einzel gewonnen. Von Lisickis Bilanz im Fed Cup, kann Kerber allenfalls träumen.
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Re: Fed Cup Thread Vol 2: WGII: Deutschland - Frankreich in Limoges! 09.-10.Februar

Gefunden:


2012 roter Sand

Kerber 11:4
Lisicki 0:3
Görges 6:4
Barthel 5:4

Edit: Korrigiert.

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Re: Fed Cup Thread Vol 2: WGII: Deutschland - Frankreich in Limoges! 09.-10.Februar

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Außerdem hier so zu tun als wäre Kerber der Garant im Fed Cup für siege, ist einfach nur blödsinnig. Kerber hat bis heute kein einzig wirklich entscheidendes Fed Cup Einzel gewonnen. Von Lisickis Bilanz im Fed Cup, kann Kerber allenfalls träumen.
Ich find das irgendwie ignorant, wie du hier einfach weiter deine Aussagen runterspulst, ohne wirklich auf unsere zu schauen. Kerber hat bis jetzt ein entscheidendes Einzel gespielt, wo sie 1. die neue Kerber war und 2. favorisiert war.
Außerdem geht es hier gar nicht drum, dass sie der Garant für Fed Cup Siege ist, sie ist einfach ein Garant für Siege gegen Spielerinnen die klar unter ihr stehen.
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Ich find das irgendwie ignorant, wie du hier einfach weiter deine Aussagen runterspulst, ohne wirklich auf unsere zu schauen. Kerber hat bis jetzt ein entscheidendes Einzel gespielt, wo sie 1. die neue Kerber war und 2. favorisiert war.
Neue Kerber?
Kerber hat 2007 in Japan ziemlich kläglich gegen drittklassige Gegnerinnen versagt. Wie sie 2012 gegen schwächere Gegnerinnen im Fed Cup abgeschnitten hätte, weiß hier keiner und es ist blödsinnig davon auszugehen, die hätte sie alle locker geschlagen, dazu noch auf dem mit Abstand schwächsten Belag von ihr.
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2012 roter Sand

Kerber 11:4
Lisicki 0:3
Görges 6:4
Barthel 2:3
Ist da die FC-Niederlage gegen Stosur drin?
Weil dann sind Kerbers vier Niederlagen auf rotem Sand genau gegen Kvitova, Stosur, Sharapova und Errani - die Top 4 bei den French Open, fällt mir grad so auf
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Görges 6:4
Barthel 2:3
Die Statistik kann bei Barthel aber nicht stimmen, denn sie hatte zwei Siege in Stuttgart und drei Siege in Bastad, wo sie ja im Halbfinale war.
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Kerber hat 2007 in Japan ziemlich kläglich gegen drittklassige Gegnerinnen versagt. Wie sie 2012 gegen schwächere Gegnerinnen im Fed Cup abgeschnitten hätte, weiß hier keiner und es ist blödsinnig davon auszugehen, die hätte sie alle locker geschlagen, dazu noch auf dem mit Abstand schwächsten Belag von ihr.
Ja, neue Kerber. Deshalb kannst du dir den Vergleich mit 2007 wirklich sparen
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Ist da die FC-Niederlage gegen Stosur drin?
Weil dann sind Kerbers vier Niederlagen auf rotem Sand genau gegen Kvitova, Stosur, Sharapova und Errani - die Top 4 bei den French Open, fällt mir grad so auf
Ja, ist dabei. Hatte 2012 nur 4 Turniere auf rotem Sand, Fed Cup, Stuttgart, Rom und Paris. Kvitova hat sie dann in Rom sogar noch 6-1 im 3. Satz geschlagen.
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Ja, neue Kerber. Deshalb kannst du dir den Vergleich mit 2007 wirklich sparen
Und deswegen wissen wir, dass das jetzt nicht mehr passieren würde, oder was?


Übrigens noch keine Absage von Kerber für Doha. Aber gut, das heißt ja so noch nichts.
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Die Statistik kann bei Barthel aber nicht stimmen, denn sie hatte zwei Siege in Stuttgart und drei Siege in Bastad, wo sie ja im Halbfinale war.
Aua, hast recht. Das sie nach Wimbledon noch auf Sand gespielt hat habe ich schlicht übersehen. 5:4.
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