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Old Jul 9th, 2014, 03:41 AM   #1
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This Barís Dress Code Is Being Called Racist, But Is It Really?

Can a dress code be racist? Some people in Minneapolis say, emphatically, yes. Bar Louie in uptown Minneapolis bars a host of apparel, including “flat bill hats,” “large chains” and “excessively baggy clothing.” “Might as well just say, ‘No black folks allowed,’” says one local resident. “It’s ridiculous.”



In order for a dress code to be “racist,” one would have to assume that an establishment would admit white people if they wore the barred clothing. And yes, we’ve all seen white guys who “dress black.” (See: Justin Bieber)

This is not to suggest that all white people – or black people – who dress like Justin Bieber behave like Justin Bieber. Or Tupak Shakur. But it is to suggest that there is a certain behavior pattern that generally goes along with those who wear all or most of the gear barred by Bar Louie’s dress code.

So it’s really a matter of barring behavior vs. barring blacks – or people of any color, is it not?


Besides, do those who call the dress code “racist” really believe that blacks who adhere to the policy will be turned away at the door? Or treated less welcome?

Let’s look at it another way: If the dress code listed the apparel that was acceptable vs. that which is not (collared shirts, casual slacks, etc.), would that be “racist” as well?

The bottom line is this: if a bar or restaurant wants to establish a dress code in an effort to protect its investment, it should have every right to do so.


http://www.ijreview.com/2014/07/1546...racist-really/

Dress codes have been around a long time. A business has a right to protect their investments IMO. Don't like the dress code, don't be a customer.
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Old Jul 9th, 2014, 10:51 PM   #2
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Yes. Satisfied?
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Old Jul 10th, 2014, 02:19 PM   #3
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Re: This Barís Dress Code Is Being Called Racist, But Is It Really?

I wouldn't say the dress code effectively says 'No black folks allowed'. I don't associate the clothing and accoutrements described with any particular race. I see black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, Pacific Islander, etc. young men adorned in that manner. I associate it more with a lifestyle and an attitude. We all consciously project an image in the way we dress. I would say the dress code is trying to say, 'No thugs or thug wannabes allowed.' To say the dress code targets black people is, in my opinion, an insult to black people. Most black people I know wouldn't be caught dead wearing any of that bullshit.
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I wouldn't say the dress code effectively says 'No black folks allowed'. I don't associate the clothing and accoutrements described with any particular race. I see black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, Pacific Islander, etc. young men adorned in that manner. I associate it more with a lifestyle and an attitude. We all consciously project an image in the way we dress. I would say the dress code is trying to say, 'No thugs or thug wannabes allowed.' To say the dress code targets black people is, in my opinion, an insult to black people. Most black people I know wouldn't be caught dead wearing any of that bullshit.
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It's the same insult found in Lorde being accused of racism for Royals.
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Re: This Barís Dress Code Is Being Called Racist, But Is It Really?

No, just like banning hip hop and rap isn't racist.

http://www.laweekly.com/westcoastsou...orbids-hip-hop
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Re: This Barís Dress Code Is Being Called Racist, But Is It Really?

These things can be, depending upon the intent and/or the details of the code, but aren't always.

Dress codes are often about general conformity and general wealth stratification. For instance, some restaurants require dress jackets and ties. As someone who grew up in a working class family I didn't even know how to tie a tie until I went to work for a retail store that required that I wear one.

In the 1950s, if you look at footage of elementary school classrooms you'll see every boy in some of the videos with an identical haircut: a close buzz. They also all wore virtually the same outfit even though no official uniform was prescribed.

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Re: This Barís Dress Code Is Being Called Racist, But Is It Really?

If it were just the ones mentioned in the article, maybe. But the bar also bans sleeveless undershirts and athletic jerseys. Sounds more like trying to enforce a no working class slobs rule than blacks.

They should just buy some leather seats, sell whiskey instead of beer, and jack up prices to have the same result without the hassle of a dresscode.
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These things can be,
No. They can't. Period. Unless you think that races are born programmed to wear certain clothing. The intent behind a dress-code can be racist but the code itself cannot.
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No. They can't. Period. Unless you think that races are born programmed to wear certain clothing. The intent behind a dress-code can be racist but the code itself cannot.
If a race wears a particular article of clothing, like a veil, and a dress code is implemented that bans people wearing that article of clothing, it can be done for racist reasons.

Race and culture are intermixed.

(That veils are sexist is also interesting.)
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If a race wears a particular article of clothing, like a veil, and a dress code is implemented that bans people wearing that article of clothing, it can be done for racist reasons.

Race and culture are intermixed.

(That veils are sexist is also interesting.)
What race wears a veil or any particular article of clothing?? A religion might. A culture might. But a race?
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Re: This Barís Dress Code Is Being Called Racist, But Is It Really?

I think a person can force a dress code, its a private place its his place his right to do whatever.

I never go to places theres a high dress code (places like that are very rare in israel) but when i need to meet clients i go to a much more comfortable place
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It's the same insult found in Lorde being accused of racism for Royals.
i never heard such a thing
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Re: This Barís Dress Code Is Being Called Racist, But Is It Really?

This sounds a bit dubious to say the least. Not living in America I can't judge the particulars of this, but it sounds from the article as if the list may be specifically tailored to describe the dress code of a particular subculture that is primarily if not exclusively black. That is probably not in contravention of any law, but it certainly can't be ruled out that the dress code is racially motivated.

The writer of the article asks what seems to be intended as a rhetorical question: "If the dress code listed the apparel that was acceptable vs. that which is not (collared shirts, casual slacks, etc.), would that be ďracistĒ as well?" I would say not, at least not based on the examples given, which I'm pretty sure aren't exclusive to any racial group. Much like some establishments require people to wear a jacket and tie. If the bar owner really wants to prove that the dress code is unrelated to race, it would be better for him to formulate it in such general terms, rather than being so specific.
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What race wears a veil or any particular article of clothing?? A religion might. A culture might. But a race?
Races and cultures are intermixed.

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Races and cultures are intermixed.

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That's not accurate, after all Sammy Davis jr and Scarlett Johansson are both Jews but don't share the same race
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