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Old Dec 24th, 2012, 01:59 PM   #1
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Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

Just asking. Considering some here now think Slam counts aren't that important if Serena has a case of being greater than Graf, surely by the same logic there is a case for Monica being greater than Serena? Especially when the key argument for Serena>Graf is that "Serena at her peak was (supposedly) more dominant than Graf" -- well there's no doubt that Monica's peak was more glorious and lasted far longer than Serena's did. Similarly some argue Serena would've won more Slams than Graf had she not got that injury in 2003 - well you can CERTAINLY argue the same for Seles's stabbing, especially when you consider that she'd won 8 Slams by the age of 19 whereas Serena had only won one at that age.

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Old Dec 24th, 2012, 02:02 PM   #2
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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

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Just asking. Considering some here now think Slam counts aren't that important if Serena has a case of being greater than Graf, surely by the same logic there is a case for Monica being greater than Serena? Especially when the key argument for Serena>Graf is that "Serena at her peak was (supposedly) more dominant than Graf" -- well there's no doubt that Monica's peak was more glorious and lasted far longer than Serena's did. Similarly some argue Serena would've won more Slams than Graf had she not got that injury in 2003 - well you can CERTAINLY argue the same for Seles's stabbing, especially when you consider that she'd won 8 Slams by the age of 19 whereas Serena had only won one at that age.

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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

seles would not have got more than 13 or 14 slams in normal circumstances......her peak would have ended by 95......so still serena ahead......
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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

If's, lots of if's in that post.

You can also say if Steffi hadn't of had knee surgery in 97 then she could have won more. Because in 95 and 96 she won every GS she entered.

It just goes round in circles and really is pointless.
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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

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If's, lots of if's in that post.

You can also say if Steffi hadn't of had knee surgery in 97 then she could have won more. Because in 95 and 96 she won every GS she entered.

It just goes round in circles and really is pointless.
You're right that these hypotheticals are irrelevant.
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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

Nice try, but you gotta hurry up not to miss the Xmas Supper in the Tower! Whould be a shame if fellow Guardians started caroling without you, just sayin'.
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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

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If's, lots of if's in that post.

You can also say if Steffi hadn't of had knee surgery in 97 then she could have won more. Because in 95 and 96 she won every GS she entered.

It just goes round in circles and really is pointless.
Personally, I completely agree with you. But, because we've now entered a world where people are claiming that when it comes to comparing Serena to Graf, Slam counts suddenly don't matter and hypotheticals are extremely important, I figured this debate was also legitimate.
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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

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Nice try, but you gotta hurry up not to miss the Xmas Supper in the Tower! Whould be a shame if fellow Guardians started caroling without you, just sayin'.
Next time you try to insult someone, try and make sure it's atleast somewhat intelligible to atleast SOME humanbeings.
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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

Sure, if some Serena fans consider her to be greater than Graf and Navratilova based on nothing, why not? After all Seles has more titles than Serena and has been more weeks at number 1 than her, those are FACTS
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Re: Is there a case for considering Seles to be greater than Serena?

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Just asking. Considering some here now think Slam counts aren't that important if Serena has a case of being greater than Graf, surely by the same logic there is a case for Monica being greater than Serena? Especially when the key argument for Serena>Graf is that "Serena at her peak was (supposedly) more dominant than Graf" -- well there's no doubt that Monica's peak was more glorious and lasted far longer than Serena's did. Similarly some argue Serena would've won more Slams than Graf had she not got that injury in 2003 - well you can CERTAINLY argue the same for Seles's stabbing, especially when you consider that she'd won 8 Slams by the age of 19 whereas Serena had only won one at that age.

Discuss.
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