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Old Jan 31st, 2013, 02:27 AM   #31
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Not hard to spot the odd one out, is it?
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It is one feat among several on the resume of the greatest players. It also worth noting that several of the greatest ever don't have the Career Slam: Helen Wills, Suzanne Lenglen and Monica Seles.
There was no commercial air travel when Helen Wills and Suzanne Lenglen played. Because of that, Wills never played Australia, and Lenglen only played it once.
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Old Jan 31st, 2013, 02:37 AM   #33
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Helen Wills and Lenglen for the most part are NOT judged and compared to players from the Open Era.

It's funny that our favorite sport has so much history and can go back over 100 years but in a way our sport is relatively new. The Open Era (from 68 and beyond) is not that long ago, especially when you compare it to other popular sports. But anytime we bring up stats for former number ones or slam records and such it's just implied that its from the Open Era. And that's when the sport really started keeping records and evolving into the tennis of today.


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Roger Federer was in 5 French Open Finals , he is great clay court player .... The only reason why he won RG only once is that he was unlucky to face clay GOAT Rafa Nadal , the best tennis player on clay and one of the top 5 best players ever in tennis

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Roger Federer was in 5 French Open Finals , he is great clay court player .... The only reason why he won RG only once is that he was LUCKY NOT to (have to) face clay GOAT Rafa Nadal , the best tennis player on clay and one of the top 5 best players ever in tennis!

half-empty vs half-full...but yeah, same difference....

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Not hard to spot the odd one out, is it?
Lol
All the pressed fans in the thread its definitely not hard to tell. This wasn't thread wasn't made for a fan war we all know who is greater but look at the list of greats WITHOUT the Career Grand Slam and that is where a true debate can begin.
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Re: What does CGS mean?

Dsanders, as always, putting words in people's mouth. No one said it was nothing. A career Grand Slam is a great accomplishment and can be used to decide between players who are close in accomplishments, but having a CGS doesn't vault a player automatically above others with substantially more slams. And since dsanders decided to make this about Maria, Monica's 9 slams, Justine and Venus' 7 still trump Maria's 4.
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Oh how I miss my Rafa...
concurred......he's missed even by his haters these days......all the federinatards are looking up to the heavens seeking help......they cannot stomach the success of djokovic......murray and fed couldn't do shit against novak in nadal's absence......so their only hope is nadal......

once again it has come down to nadal to answer their prayers and also protect rod laver's record......bitter rod took fed's side in 2010 and nadal protected his legacy in 2012 by denying novak a calender grandslam at RG......

nadal once again has the job of protecting federer and rod laver by winning roland garros......he will have to do it on one leg but he'll do it at any cost......
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Dsanders, as always, putting words in people's mouth. No one said it was nothing. A career Grand Slam is a great accomplishment and can be used to decide between players who are close in accomplishments, but having a CGS doesn't vault a player automatically above others with substantially more slams. And since dsanders decided to make this about Maria, Monica's 9 slams, Justine and Venus' 7 still trump Maria's 4.
Well, I'll admit that perhaps no Willytards in this thread (yet) had been shitting on Maria's CGS, it was primarily a pre-emptive strike before one of them did come in and say one of the lines they've been parrotting for the last 6 months

But I stand by that a lot of people on this board are guilty of retroactively downgrading the importance of the Career Grand Slam just because a player they don't like completed it. Variety has ALWAYS been a huge factor in determining the greats Just look at any discussion comparing Venus and Henin; despite their tie in Slam counts, everyone (bar the Willytards) agrees that Justine is ahead by a considerable margin because her Slam record is so much better-rounded and consistent across the 4 Slams than Venus's is. And speaking of the men's -- I know someone raised the point that many would still say Sampras > Nadal because he has more Slams despite having the CGS, but I would argue that's simply because Sampras is the best of his era while Nadal is only the 2nd best, rather than Sampras's higher Slam count being considered important OTOH, most people would say Agassi > Borg despite having 2 less Slams (and the only people who would claim Borg was greater would cite the caveat that he cut his career short while still at the top of the game, NOT that he had more Slams).

I say this 100% without my troll hat on, but I honestly believe Maria is already greater than Hingis because of the CGS, and I honestly believe just one more Slam would give her the edge over Venus, despite the latter having more Slams but a far less dynamic Slams record. (I think she'd need to get to 6 Slams before she had a case over Henin.) That's how much importance I give to the CGS
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Well, I'll admit that perhaps no Willytards in this thread (yet) had been shitting on Maria's CGS, it was primarily a pre-emptive strike before one of them did come in and say one of the lines they've been parrotting for the last 6 months

But I stand by that a lot of people on this board are guilty of retroactively downgrading the importance of the Career Grand Slam just because a player they don't like completed it. Variety has ALWAYS been a huge factor in determining the greats Just look at any discussion comparing Venus and Henin; despite their tie in Slam counts, everyone (bar the Willytards) agrees that Justine is ahead by a considerable margin because her Slam record is so much better-rounded and consistent across the 4 Slams than Venus's is. And speaking of the men's -- I know someone raised the point that many would still say Sampras > Nadal because he has more Slams despite having the CGS, but I would argue that's simply because Sampras is the best of his era while Nadal is only the 2nd best, rather than Sampras's higher Slam count being considered important OTOH, most people would say Agassi > Borg despite having 2 less Slams (and the only people who would claim Borg was greater would cite the caveat that he cut his career short while still at the top of the game, NOT that he had more Slams).

I say this 100% without my troll hat on, but I honestly believe Maria is already greater than Hingis because of the CGS, and I honestly believe just one more Slam would give her the edge over Venus, despite the latter having more Slams but a far less dynamic Slams record. (I think she'd need to get to 6 Slams before she had a case over Henin.) That's how much importance I give to the CGS
Fair enough. Don't agree though and i like Maria so no retroactively downgrading here . I like to keep things simple, for me Maria'll need 7 to be compared to Justin/Venus. NP, she'll probably get there and then discussion is open. Better yet reach 8 and we can close the discussion again.
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Fair enough. Don't agree though and i like Maria so no retroactively downgrading here . I like to keep things simple, for me Maria'll need 7 to be compared to Justin/Venus. NP, she'll probably get there and then discussion is open. Better yet reach 8 and we can close the discussion again.
Honestly, even I don't think Maria has a hope in hell of reaching 8 7 is her absolute upper limit imo, and 6 is probably more realistic.
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sharapova will not win any grand slam if serena, azarenka, li na in her draw...she would win if errani, radwanska, CoWoz in her draw and another catwalk to sf
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Honestly, even I don't think Maria has a hope in hell of reaching 8 7 is her absolute upper limit imo, and 6 is probably more realistic.
Why not? She's playing well consistently atm making her one of the strongest players around. Give her another ~5-6 years of tennis and i'd be surprised if she doesn't win 3-4 more. Of course a new superstar may arise from nowhere, but i don't feel Vika/Serena let alone Petra will win them all from here. Maybe she doesn't play for another 5 years, most probably cause she doesn't get 3 more i think.
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sharapova will not win any grand slam if serena, azarenka, li na in her draw...she would win if errani, radwanska, CoWoz in her draw and another catwalk to sf
granted rena is a given.
but vika lost a set to masha in the USO, and she lost to masha in their last meeting. and you're going straight off her most recent loss to na to make an instant assumption, on any given day (bar rena) masha can beat these players - same goes for those beating masha. but hearing all this 'cakewalk' and 'cakewalk-p' stuff is really irritating considering vika beat one top 10 player to the AO - and even when masha won the FO she beat petra/errani who were both seeded players.

if anything na should've got props for potentially winning a slam by beating 4, 2 + 1 seeds. there's no such thing as a cakewalk imo - plus if you do believe in them then EVERY SINGLE top player who won a slam has had one. - yes even serena, and thats fine.
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granted rena is a given.
but vika lost a set to masha in the USO, and she lost to masha in their last meeting. and you're going straight off her most recent loss to na to make an instant assumption, on any given day (bar rena) masha can beat these players - same goes for those beating masha. but hearing all this 'cakewalk' and 'cakewalk-p' stuff is really irritating considering vika beat one top 10 player to the AO - and even when masha won the FO she beat petra/errani who were both seeded players.

if anything na should've got props for potentially winning a slam by beating 4, 2 + 1 seeds. there's no such thing as a cakewalk imo - plus if you do believe in them then EVERY SINGLE top player who won a slam has had one. - yes even serena, and thats fine.
Agree. Vika on HC will be tricky though just as Maria on clay is tricky for Vika atm. They will play a lot more the next few years so then we'll see how they really match up eventually.
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sharapova will not win any grand slam if serena, azarenka, li na in her draw...she would win if errani, radwanska, CoWoz in her draw and another catwalk to sf
Azarenka, Li and Serena were in the draw of FO2012 , nobody among them was injured ...they simply lost in early rounds
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