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Old Jan 30th, 2013, 05:50 PM   #31
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Re: Slams that have been won by a player playing awful the whole tournamnet?

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Kim didn't play horrible for 7 rounds in Australia 2011 or USO 2010.
True

There is a lot of slander and revisionism going on here.

I know of no recent major (not counting 2013) were a player played 7 awful matches and won a slam. That is fiction.
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Azarenka's case is different , because only luck(injuries) and cake draw gave her this trothy.
I know you're a Maria fan like me, and for that I like you, but you're such a troll

Why do you hate Vika so much?
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I know you're a Maria fan like me, and for that I like you, but you're such a troll

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Old Jan 30th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #34
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Might be that much more a punchy finish to the post if she hadn't beaten Princess in straights in the semi, and the defending champion in the QF in decent quality matches. And Serena did not "limp" past Radwanska in the final, the final set was comprehensive and included a one minute game on serve. Serena set new standards for serving that Wimbledon that she has been chasing and seeking to maintain ever since. What a laughable joke you are implying she was rubbish the whole tournament.

At the end of the day you don't "deserve" slams, you win them.
All this revisionist history. You can't seriously be claiming Serena wasn't a mess in that Wimbledon final; go check the results thread at the time, even her stans were laughing at how bad she played. The SF was also a mess from both sides - I don't think Princessrenka made more UEs in any match last year, RG aside. Her QF against Kvitova was probably Serena's best match of the tournament, though even there, she was outplayed for much of the 2nd set and was generally playing very conservatively for her usual standards, precisely because her offensive game off the ground was misfiring so often that tournament.

And I didn't say Serena didn't deserve this title I said, entertaining the premise of the thread, that, if any titles were undeserved, Serena's Wimbledon 2012 title would be near the top of the list, because she played some of the least impressive tennis of any Slam winners in recent years.

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I'm guessing you didn't actually watch any of her matches other than the final. That's okay, most people didn't.

With the exception of a couple of minor, short-lived lapses, Sam played at a high level for the whole two weeks. That's why, going into the final, the tiny group of commentators who had been paying attention gave her a decent chance of pulling off the upset that she did.

I'd go as far as to say the only really poor match Sam has played at the USO in the last 3 years was the '10 QF against Kim that you already mentioned. It was an abominable match from both of them.
Actually I watched most of the semifinal, and the Kirilenko match from the 2nd-set tiebreak onwards iirc. I didn't say she was playing awfully in those matches - obviously I agree that no-one gets deep in a Slam while playing awfully - but I would say she was playing low-top 10-standard tennis at best in those matches, and generally not the standard that you'd expect of someone who would go on to win the title in the end Of course, that's all academic, because she ended up turning in a true Slam-winning performance in the final; I only mentioned it in this thread because someone mentioned Majoli (who also played relatively unimpressively until the final, before shocking everyone by playing great in the final itself) which triggered to give Stosur an "honourable mention"
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Old Jan 30th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #35
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Re: Slams that have been won by a player playing awful the whole tournamnet?

I don't think Saint Sin played 'awful' at the AO 2011. She was just very average by her standards. The same for Serena at Wimbledon 2010.
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Old Jan 30th, 2013, 06:31 PM   #36
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Re: Slams that have been won by a player playing awful the whole tournamnet?

Kim at the 2011 AO jumps to mind first. I couldn't believe how average she was in most of her matches. Hitting more UEs than winners in some matches
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Re: Slams that have been won by a player playing awful the whole tournamnet?

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I'm guessing you didn't actually watch any of her matches other than the final. That's okay, most people didn't.

With the exception of a couple of minor, short-lived lapses, Sam played at a high level for the whole two weeks. That's why, going into the final, the tiny group of commentators who had been paying attention gave her a decent chance of pulling off the upset that she did.

I'd go as far as to say the only really poor match Sam has played at the USO in the last 3 years was the '10 QF against Kim that you already mentioned. It was an abominable match from both of them.
I think the reason commentators were giving Sam a chance was because their H2H was quite even at the time(with Sam having won something like 2 of the last 3 or 4 matches) and Sam had beaten her in a GS before....

Sidenote, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 2010 Wimbledon where Serena's ground game was gone and she became Serve Rena after Rd 3 ( and IIFC only played 2 top 20 players in the entire event,with the highest being at #10 :/)
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Old Jan 30th, 2013, 07:08 PM   #38
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Re: Slams that have been won by a player playing awful the whole tournamnet?

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Serena in awful form is still too good, like at Wimbledon 2012 . Her groundgame and ROS were awful, but her serve was incredible. She won it and it was well deserved.

Azarenka's case is different , because only luck(injuries) and cake draw gave her this trothy.
Serena in awful form won because the rest are not that good. Serena was in awful form in australian open 2007, she was running out of steam in semifinals against Vaidisova (a third set there would be lethal for her), but in the final she play against someone like Maria who has no b plan, who is unable to react when her rival hit harder and better than her.

Serena play great in the final, but the strategy was pretty clear, making longer points, more sooner than later Serena level would drop. Of course Maria is not smart enough to think to do other thing than hit harder (and that day making UE after UE), and Serena score an easy win

Serena is very good, but her rivals (with the exception of Henin and Venus in the beginning of the 00's) were simply to mentally weak and too one trick pony to challenge her
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Old Jan 30th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #39
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Clijsters, Queen Vulture of Weak Eras

No one does it like her.
Vuvu is following in her footsteps though . Her only noteworthy wins in both Slam wins were against the 'Queen Vulture of weak eras' playing on one foot and against a hungry Sharpie, who at the time was in the mood to produce as many 1st-time Slam champions as possible. Neatly avoided Serena by the biggest stroke of luck in sporting history.
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Re: Slams that have been won by a player playing awful the whole tournamnet?

Clijsters was not playing on one leg in that match. Rewatch it if you must, but a player playing 'on one leg' doesn't do her trademark splits multiple times throughout that match. Such a ridiculous excuse.
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Old Jan 30th, 2013, 08:53 PM   #41
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Re: Slams that have been won by a player playing awful the whole tournamnet?

It's small wonder that women's tennis isn't taken seriously if even fans of the women's game are willing to nominate numerous grand slam winners who won despite playing "awful" the entire tournament.

The correct answer to the question is, of course, that it has never happened.
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Re: Slams that have been won by a player playing awful the whole tournamnet?

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Um, last year at Wimbledon she played poorly, and still barely limped through the final against a player with the flu That was certainly the least impressive tennis anyone played to win a Slam last year. Princessrenka's title is no less deserved than that one.

Also, at the continual myth that Kim played badly to win all of hers. That only works for AO '11 (and even then only up to a point); she played fantastically to at the US Opens in 2009 and 2010, with the sole exception of the '10 QF against Stosur.

Overall, least impressive tennis to win a Slam in recent years is between Serena at last year's Wimbledon, Kim at the AO'11, or Schiavone's RG win (Princessrenka's latest is slightly above those 3). Honourable mention to Stosur at the USO 11: she was very mediocre in her first 6 matches there, even for her standards, but then played brilliantly in the final.
I disagree. I saw most of Stosur's matches from that tournament and I was highly impressed, and that's why I really wasn't all that surprised when she took out Serena. Her mental toughness against Petrova and especially against Kirilenko was something she hadn't shown before and hasn't since. She went missing for a chunk of the semi against Kerber but even that was a quality match.
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Actually I watched most of the semifinal, and the Kirilenko match from the 2nd-set tiebreak onwards iirc. I didn't say she was playing awfully in those matches - obviously I agree that no-one gets deep in a Slam while playing awfully - but I would say she was playing low-top 10-standard tennis at best in those matches, and generally not the standard that you'd expect of someone who would go on to win the title in the end Of course, that's all academic, because she ended up turning in a true Slam-winning performance in the final; I only mentioned it in this thread because someone mentioned Majoli (who also played relatively unimpressively until the final, before shocking everyone by playing great in the final itself) which triggered to give Stosur an "honourable mention"
Leaving aside the question of whether this is a fair assessment of Sam's performances in those matches(Griffin's post is closer to the mark IMO), it takes a certain amount of cheek to award her an honourable mention for an unimpressive run to the final based on one-and-a-bit matches in which her level dropped to "low top-10 standard".
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Re: Slams that have been won by a player playing awful the whole tournamnet?

Clijsters made a career out of this in her second go around. Could not believe how poorly her opponents played.
Serena's "poor" slam runs seemed different. It was her drive, her hunger that pulled her through. Clijsters opponents :x: had 0 quality and self destructed.
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Clijsters made a career out of this in her second go around. Could not believe how poorly her opponents played.
Serena's "poor" slam runs seemed different. It was her drive, her hunger that pulled her through. Clijsters opponents :x: had 0 quality and self destructed.
Perhaps it's Serena's reputation that makes them seem different.
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