[Igorche]

Originally Posted by pancake

Because unlike Caro and Aga, and geez they actually have different playing styles, Stephens is able and does hit more winners than her opponents. If by being aggressive you mean grunting louder, yes, Bojana was really, really aggressive.

And you just don't get it. First you think Bojana is the better player even though other than her bp conversion all of her stats were worse than Stephens's; second, you compare the match to the one Aga beating Maria while Aga hit like 20 fewers winners than Sharapova, hit like only 5 winners and 5 UEs. In this match Stephens hit tons of UEs, MORE winners. I can say that your tennis knowledge is not real then, and it's probably not very insulting either.

First you say that I insult other players and then you mention how Bojana grunting. She is not louder then Vika, Serena and Maria, but you do not have balls to talk about their grunting because their fans would torn apart you.

[Igorche]

Originally Posted by pancake

Well, I agreed that Sloane was passive in the 2nd set and most of the 3rd set, I never said she wasn't. But to say someone is better because she's more aggressive is ridiculous. Esp considering that even she was more aggressive but still ended up hitting 6 fewer winners, that tells you sth about her NOT being better.

And hitting 6 winners more means that she was better. It is 6 winners more not 16.

[pancake]

Originally Posted by Igorche

Yes, yes, tell us the stories. First you say that I insult other players and then you mention how Bojana grunting. She is not louder then Vika, Serena and Maria, but you do not have balls to talk about their grunting because their fans would torn apart you.

And first, you implied the players Stephens beat aren't real. I am sorry if that doesn't sound insulting enough already.
Second, I just said she grunts loud, which she does. Did I ever say it's a bad thing or imply so? And why should I talk about others' grunting in this thread?

[pancake]

Originally Posted by Igorche

And hitting 6 winners more means that she was better. It is 6 winners more not 16.

But hitting fewer winners and having worse stats are?

[Joe.]

Devastating for Bojana

Great tournament for Sloane though

[lupojohn]

Originally Posted by pancake

Well, I agreed that Sloane was passive in the 2nd set and most of the 3rd set, I never said she wasn't. But to say someone is better because she's more aggressive is ridiculous. Esp considering that even she was more aggressive but still ended up hitting 6 fewer winners, that tells you sth about her NOT being better.

I'm not trying to get into your argument with Igorche. I'm just saying that Bojana's getting trashed for grunting when Vika and Maria get off and that people think because Bojana did poorly in the 3rd set, she doesn't have ability.

[pancake]

Originally Posted by lupojohn

I'm not trying to get into your argument with Igorche. I'm just saying that Bojana's getting trashed for grunting when Vika and Maria get off and that people think because Bojana did poorly in the 3rd set, she doesn't have ability.

I didn't even trash her, or complained about her grunting. I am simply saying that it's a flawed argument to say Bojana was the better player in the match because she's more "aggressive", despite having a worse stats.

[Igorche]

Originally Posted by pancake

How convenient of you to not bring up the Aga-Maria match again. Why? I shut you up or what?

And first, you implied the players Stephens beat aren't real. I am sorry if that doesn't sound insulting enough already.
Second, I just said she grunts loud, which she does. Did I ever say it's a bad thing or imply so? And why should I talk about others' grunting in this thread?

Stephens was better in first set (much better) and that made ​​a difference, but in the next two Bojana was dictating and was more aggressive, everything depended on her. She was better in 2nd and 3rd set, and to win needs to be better in two sets

I do not understand what you want to say with this Aga-Maria match and shting up, are you use something or what?

And about players who Stephens beat at tournaments where she came to R16, someone said Bojana never reach that stage competitions and I said that Stephens was lucky and did not play against players from the top 30 while Bojana at nearly every tournament played against Serena or Aga or Vika or Zvonareva or Petkovic (all of the top 15) in 1st or 2nd round.

And about other players grunting no need to talk in this thread about them, you need to talk in other threads, but of course you do not.

[lupojohn]

Originally Posted by pancake

I didn't even trash her, or complained about her grunting. I am simply saying that it's a flawed argument to say Bojana was the better player in the match because she's more "aggressive", despite having a worse stats.

I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm just saying that in general. And sometimes stats don't tell the story. The more aggressive player usually has bigger numbers.

[aselto]

The better player is ALWAYS the one winning two sets, even if the scoreline is 76(20) 06 10-8

[Angelpova]

WTA SAVED, really ?

Stephens: 20 winners / 43 UE
Jovanovski: 14 W / 49 UE

[AndreConrad]

Congrats Sloane
Great slam for both players, well done . Not a fan of either, but kudos are well deserved.
Lastly, what is up with saving WTA? The term is used for so many years. It is so tired that it is not funny. The only thing any sports organization needs saving from are fans bashing and insulting players.

[pancake]

Originally Posted by lupojohn

I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm just saying that in general. And sometimes stats don't tell the story. The more aggressive player usually has bigger numbers.

I don't think if you don't understand my posts or what, but almost every stats, other than the bp conversion, Stephen's stats are better than Bojana's. And I am saying that if almost all your stats are worse than your opponents, you can't be the "better" player. And I already explained that if she's more aggressive and still ended up hittinh fewer winners, then apparently being aggressive doesn't work too well for her. She had only 6 more UEs than Stephens and she hit 6 DFs, if you take away the DFs they made the same amount of groundies UEs, so I don't understand what bigger numbers you are talking about.

Again, I have been very patient explaining why his argument about Bojana being the better player is flawed and I don't bash Bojana. I KNOW Stephens was passive in the match but I don't agree how anyone can say Bojana is "better". Have I made myself clear now to you?

[JN]

Do it, Sloane!!!

[pancake]

Originally Posted by Igorche

Stephens was better in first set (much better) and that made ​​a difference, but in the next two Bojana was dictating and was more aggressive, everything depended on her. She was better in 2nd and 3rd set, and to win needs to be better in two sets

I do not understand what you want to say with this Aga-Maria match and shting up, are you use something or what?

And about players who Stephens beat at tournaments where she came to R16, someone said Bojana never reach that stage competitions and I said that Stephens was lucky and did not play against players from the top 30 while Bojana at nearly every tournament played against Serena or Aga or Vika or Zvonareva or Petkovic (all of the top 15) in 1st or 2nd round.

And about other players grunting no need to talk in this thread about them, you need to talk in other threads, but of course you do not.

You say it yourself to win a match you needa be better in at least 2 sets, she didn't win so I don't know how you can say she's better. And again, if you can't keep the UEs down and hit A LOT more winners than your opponent, being aggressive is a stupid stragety for you then. She hit more UEs and fewer winners, so you can't say it worked well for you.

You mentioned about the Aga-Maria match which was another flawed argument and I wonder why you didn't mention it once I told you how wrong the comparsion is.

And it's not Stephens's fault that she's a seeded player while Bojana isn't so Stephens's draw will be easier.

And I don't talk about grunting because I don't feel like doing so. I mentioned Bojana's as a mean joke to your flawed argument. Answer this question, did I bash her for her grunt? I simply mentioned it and you go all defensive.