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Old Jan 18th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #31
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

No, as long as she has fun, she should go on playing tennis. Nobody can take the wins she had away from her.
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Old Jan 18th, 2013, 11:45 PM   #32
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

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I thought this same thing last year after the Wimbledon debacle and the start of the Kerber USO match......but i can see things from each perspective, however........

Let's not forgot how badly Jankovic gets treated around here(and she is actually ranked higher) or how sad things looked towards the end of Mauresmo's great career! So i ask all these 'it's her career/once a GS champ always a GS champ' advocates.....if Venus becomes another middling 30-40 ranged player ala Hantuchova and gets routed 8/10 times by top players, would you really wanna see Venus be subject to that over the next 3 years until Rio? Losing and struggling to the likes of Vesnina,Johannson and Scheepers; going 2-1-3-2 in the Majors and OG's; barely getting 5 games against the top players.

I say play out another season and see how it looks. She has proven that's she won't let this defeat her, she has come back into the top 25 and even won a title and beaten a few top 10 players and she has given it a full year......having pride and respect doesn't mean you need to be stubborn and naive. With tha being said, the form she had against Galina in Rd1 was certainly encouraging!
The question is not whether we want to see her struggling where she used to excel but if her level of play who's not as high as before would diminish her past accomplishments and legacy...which is clearly no. Nobody thinks that Mauresmo is not a GS winner anymore. People can want her to retire for obvious reason but it doesn't mean she's less of the great champion that she is. Many posters have said it already, it's Venus right to keep on wanting to play and work her butt off to try to still give her best on court when she could easily simply quit single and live a happy life in Florida, playing double with Serena whenever she feels like it. I think what she's doing is to be respected even if she never make it to the top 15 again.
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Old Jan 18th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #33
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

Venus really does not have anything to prove...she's done enough in my opinion. I just think at some point you should realize that ...its time to go on ahead and GO ON AHEAD. Venus is 32, has a illness and hasn't been consistent in the past 3 or 4 years...ITS TIME. I think she's only staying in the game because Serena does not want to be in the tour alone. Thats how much she loves her sister. If anything, she's ruining her head to head record with some people but not tarnishing her legacy. She's already made history..people will remember her accomplishments not the games she's been losing late in her career.
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

No, Venus must actually like playing so I applaud her for still playing. For Venus it's probably just a paid hobby nowadays.
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Old Jan 18th, 2013, 11:55 PM   #35
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

She could never tarnish her legacy. It's in permanent ink. That being said, I could see this year's US Open being her curtain call if she suffers a serious injury or she can't return to the Top 10. She is clearly in the Top 10 right now performance wise though, IMO.
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Old Jan 18th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #36
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

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The question is not whether we want to see her struggling where she used to excel but if her level of play who's not as high as before would diminish her past accomplishments and legacy...which is clearly no. Nobody thinks that Mauresmo is not a GS winner anymore. People can want her to retire for obvious reason but it doesn't mean she's less of the great champion that she is. Many posters have said it already, it's Venus right to keep on wanting to play and work her butt off to try to still give her best on court when she could easily simply quit single and live a happy life in Florida, playing double with Serena whenever she feels like it. I think what she's doing is to be respected even if she never make it to the top 15 again.
You may not have been around but the last days of Mauresmo were dire and not only on here but even commentators and journalists wouldn't even think twice when she was in a draw and Mauresmo, unlike Venus , called it quits within 2 years of her decline....Venus is adamantly holding on until 2016 Rio Games, that's 4 years!! Arantxa Sanchez is another one, she wouldn't give up but her last days were baddddd(Taylor,Husarova,Marerro,Wartusch )....not giving up is great but there is a saying if over staying your welcome.

It's admirable to fight and hang around a year or two ,working your butt off and tying your best but 2016 is faaaar away.
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

Does losing everywhere after 1984 tarnish McEnroe's legacy? Or do people still remember him as a great champion?

The only way to tarnish her legacy is to dope and lie, or kill someone.
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Old Jan 19th, 2013, 12:05 AM   #38
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

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You may not have been around but the last days of Mauresmo were dire and not only on here but even commentators and journalists wouldn't even think twice when she was in a draw and Mauresmo, unlike Venus , called it quits within 2 years of her decline....Venus is adamantly holding on until 2016 Rio Games, that's 4 years!! Arantxa Sanchez is another one, she wouldn't give up but her last days were baddddd(Taylor,Husarova,Marerro,Wartusch )....not giving up is great but there is a saying if over staying your welcome.

It's admirable to fight and hang around a year or two ,working your butt off and tying your best but 2016 is faaaar away.
I know what you mean, that by the end of their career they might not be considered a threat or potential winner but it still doesn't take away their past victories. If you consider her legacy has being what people think of her chances are RIGHT NOW against the top player, than yes she might be "tarnishing" it. In my book tho, her legacy is more like her past achievements which are never going to be denied or erased.
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

Which is worse, the no. 24 losing to the no. 2 1/6 3/6 or the saem number two losing to a a number 4 1/6 0/6 in a major final?
Secondly, Tiger wood's career is tarnished not by his run of losses but his personal issues- ditto for Lance Armstrong.
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Venus really does not have anything to prove...she's done enough in my opinion. I just think at some point you should realize that ...its time to go on ahead and GO ON AHEAD. Venus is 32, has a illness and hasn't been consistent in the past 3 or 4 years...ITS TIME. I think she's only staying in the game because Serena does not want to be in the tour alone. Thats how much she loves her sister. If anything, she's ruining her head to head record with some people but not tarnishing her legacy. She's already made history..people will remember her accomplishments not the games she's been losing late in her career.
No Venus stayed in the game because she said she still Loves the game.
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Venus is not a Clijsters, or Henin, Seles, etc. Players who left the game when the going got tough, even without a debilitating autoimmune disease and left the game much younger than 32. I applaud Lindsay Davenport as well, a player leaving the game at 32, realizing her very best tennis days were behind her but continuing to press on because she loved the game, even after giving birth to her first child. She only left the game for good when she got pregnant a second time, so that speaks of their resiliency.

I am sure that Sharapova, Azarenka, and most other players by the time they are 32 won't be the same player they were at 22, and their best days will be long gone. But, if they love the sport and love testing themselves, then why not?

It's a shame that a player trying to get back to top form with an autoimmune disease isn't getting respect, when her other contemporaries wouldn't have been close to being this resilient. Haven't we seen Hingis, Clijsters, Seles, Mauresmo, Henin, retire simply because they didn't want to put in the work to continue and/or just didn't enjoy the rigors of training and competition anymore? Not that I begrudge them for calling it quits, but you have to admit it speaks well of Venus character IMO. I believe every single one of those players, if diagnosed with an energy sapping autoimmune disease especially, would have dropped their rackets and never looked back.
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No Venus stayed in the game because she said she still Loves the game.
Don't understand how people can say that Venus should stop playing, although she says that she loves the game.
It's not only about winning Grand Slams.
And it's not like Venus wouldn't have good matches anymore.
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

kudos to venus for continuing to play even with her medical condition. it is an inspiration for all. cant see how that tarnishes her legacy.
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

suddenly gm is such a better place.. im grateful for the respect youre all showing towards venus, there was actually never a reason not to do so
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Re: Is Venus tarnishing her legacy?

Why? She is already a legend. As someone said, she is an inspiration for young generations. I hope she will play as long as her health and body can take with the pressure that every athlete faces on a daily basis...
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