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Old Jan 15th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #46
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Tennis should not be much of a concern dope wise.
You've got to be kidding me.

Doping can be a huge advantage in tennis, especially men's tennis. EPO could help a lot to get through long matches.

Doping checks in tennis are a joke. Most top tennis players have missed out of competition tests. The list has conveniently been taken offline. If you don't check for drugs, you're not going to find any and you can keep up the pretense of a clean sport.
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Old Jan 15th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #47
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Christophe Rochus on doping in tennis

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Old Jan 16th, 2013, 01:03 AM   #48
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You've got to be kidding me.

Doping can be a huge advantage in tennis, especially men's tennis. EPO could help a lot to get through long matches.

Doping checks in tennis are a joke. Most top tennis players have missed out of competition tests. The list has conveniently been taken offline. If you don't check for drugs, you're not going to find any and you can keep up the pretense of a clean sport.
So because it "can be" we are to assume what? Everyone is guilty until proven otherwise? Or even then not so because as with Andre things can be covered up for superstars? I understand what you are saying, I just dislike the territory it can be leading into. Shoot first and ask questions later.
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So because it "can be" we are to assume what? Everyone is guilty until proven otherwise? Or even then not so because as with Andre things can be covered up for superstars? I understand what you are saying, I just dislike the territory it can be leading into. Shoot first and ask questions later.
I agree that it's wrong if someone starts throwing names around without evidence.

But it would be for the long term future of tennis to introduce more stringent testing procedures. If everyone is clean then thats great news. If not then it has to be purged from the sport. Either way a comprehensive testing policy is essential in sport.
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Old Jan 16th, 2013, 01:39 AM   #50
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I agree that it's wrong if someone starts throwing names around without evideñve.

But it would be for the long term future of tennis to introduce more stringent testing procedures. If everyone is clean then thats great news. If not then it has to be purged from the sport. Either way a comprehensive testing policy is essential in sport.
I agree. I just hope that it would be done without casting aspersions based on assumptions at best. Or malicious motives at worst, before hand.
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Apparently Oprah brought 112 questions and the interview lasted nearly 3 hrs The first half airs 9pm ( ET/PT ) Thursday night on Own, while also being live streamed on Oprah.com. Should be very interesting!
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Oh yes, that period where she spent most of her time in hospital with a life-threatening injury. It's hardly necessary to test when you're not competing.
and the drama continues....
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Apparently Oprah brought 112 questions and the interview lasted nearly 3 hrs The first half airs 9pm ( ET/PT ) Thursday night on Own, while also being live streamed on Oprah.com. Should be very interesting!
I hope there's a box of Kleenex on the table between them.
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it'll be an emotional 3hrs to watch.


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Old Jan 16th, 2013, 04:09 AM   #56
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Since years, many people/organizations have asked him to come clean but now I don't get why he chose Oprah in the first place. This sounds a lame choice to me. Anyway, his vehement-denial-later-confess story sounds similar to Richard Virenque aka known as the Darling of the France.
Where would you have preferred that he get interviewed?
Confrontattion is not necessarily a good avenue for this.
The man is admiting to doping, the only big question remaining to ask is why he did what did, betraying the confidence of so many friends, families, charitable organization, and letting down the country and US cycling he professes to represent.
As I wrote in another post, if anyone wants to see a public flogging or prosecution or humiliation, then don't watch Oprah.
That is not her style

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Most importantly, he broke enormous trust of cycling fans (tens of millions). Thus he ceased to exist for me. I simply can't believe he did all that crap. Personally I wish either FBI or USADA slaps a case against him on multiple-counts (for perjury, bribes, intimidation etc)
I wish there some avenue for the federal goverment investigate and take some punitive action, but I doubt the US goverment can has any juridiction.
But again I could be wrong.

USA Cycling could administer more punishment in addtition to the measures the international cyclcing body already took.
If he had won national titles during that time period, he should be stripped of the titles.
If any awards was named after his name sake, it should be rescinded.

The sponsors have already derserted him.
To give a chance to charity ,Live Strong, to survive, he has resigned from ti, but I doubt it will continue.
My guess is it will fades and die as the fund rasing slowly dries up without his trong personality.

For good or bad, now for bad, he was really a one man powerhouse. Charming potential sponsors, intimadating potential enemies.
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Old Jan 16th, 2013, 11:28 AM   #57
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Where would you have preferred that he get interviewed? Confrontattion is not necessarily a good avenue for this.
Well, it's not about my preference. He should have followed his judgement, say by arranging a live UCI/USADA press meet. IMO Oprah is irrelevant to Cycling. If yes, then why not Peirs Morgan? Perhaps he might be scared about getting called once again as 'Sexist, Misogynist Pig!' Fun aside, this move shows Lance is onto a little more 'public sympathy' factor?

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The man is admiting to doping, the only big question remaining to ask is why he did what did, betraying the confidence of so many friends, families, charitable organization, and letting down the country and US cycling he professes to represent.
Ha! He admitted after relentless USADA persecution. I must confess that initially I was doubtful and didn't believe them; later they gone public with evidence files. I was stunned and very hurt (watched him live few times in Europe and in the US). If you refer to my bookmark (Appendices and Supporting Materials tab), you'll be shell shocked:

http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org

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As I wrote in another post, if anyone wants to see a public flogging or prosecution or humiliation, then don't watch Oprah. That is not her style
I won't

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For good or bad, now for bad, he was really a one man powerhouse. Charming potential sponsors, intimadating potential enemies.
Very very bad. Ask Betsy Andreu whom he called a 'prostitute' and an 'alcoholic'

In my sporting heroes list, one legend left this world. Second one is still alive and kicking! Third, Lance, ceased to exist to me as a man (forget about legend).
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Are professional tennis players doping, too?

In the wake of the Lance Armstrong scandal, every incredible athlete looks suspicious. And tennis has a lot of them
Why not? Did they fell from the sky? After Lance Armstrong episode, my trust got shaken AND stirred
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Tennis should not be much of a concern dope wise. You can't dope your brain. It's not a cattle sport, like cycling is or x-country skiing for that matter .. where at the end your body is pretty much all that matters.

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Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

They played an interview with Lance from 2006 on ESPN this morning (Bob Ley). It was hilarious to realize how bad of a liar he looked like, now that you know for sure he was lying
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