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Old Jan 15th, 2013, 01:09 PM   #31
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I've always found cycling extremely boring too
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Old Jan 15th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #32
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Haven't seen it yet but I heard he chokes up.

Really?

I figured it would be a deadpan admission of what everyone already knew just to get it over with. He's really going that route?
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I guess you have to care about cycling as a sport which I most certainly do not.
In my sports list (being there or on TV), a Cycling GT such as Le Tour de France takes precedence over any Tennis GS
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He feels bad, y'all, and he's wiping each bitter tear away with a $100 bill. BARF
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Old Jan 15th, 2013, 03:01 PM   #35
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So, who will really be surprised if, two or three years from now, it's Serena or Sharapova going on Oprah to make the same admission that Armstrong is doing now? You'd better not say it on this board, but the WTA isn't untouched by the rampant doping culture of today's sports world.
I would be very surprised if the WTA had a doping scandal. ATP not so much, the rewards of doping are far greater there. If you're not Federer then you have to deal with endless five set matches with endless rallies and endless running.
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Old Jan 15th, 2013, 03:25 PM   #37
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I thought, if he indeed trafficked the dope and forced other to dope, isn't it a bit more than just a reason for mere competition ban? Isn't it something that could and should be criminally prosecuted?
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I thought, if he indeed trafficked the dope and forced other to dope, isn't it a bit more than just a reason for mere competition ban? Isn't it something that could and should be criminally prosecuted?
Yes, I've heard that because of the way he worded his confession, he could indeed be in legal trouble.
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Old Jan 15th, 2013, 03:39 PM   #39
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hope he gets sued by the athletes he "defeated"
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I thought, if he indeed trafficked the dope and forced other to dope, isn't it a bit more than just a reason for mere competition ban? Isn't it something that could and should be criminally prosecuted?
I don't really care about cycling that much but I am interested in the legal side of things and a quick read of the BBC's article about this tell me that:
1) the most obvious act which cries out for prosecution is Armstrong's testimonial before a jury in 2005 which amounts to perjury, this is quite clear cut. Unfortunately the statute of limitations has expired so this is not possible under US law.
2) he is most definitely open to civil proceedings (and always has been even before he "confessed") of defamation and fraud with people he has engaged in law suits and his sponsors etc. Fraud is a broad and complex area, he is open to civil rather than criminal fraud proceedings.

3) The drugs in question banned by WADA and UCI such as EPO aren't illegal drugs and I'm not sure if he can be prosecuted for masterminding a drug ring of legal drugs.
Blood doping isn't an illegal activity in itself, it just happens to be against the rules of his sport.

The word "illegal" is thrown around a lot - the principle illegal elements here are the potential methods of obtaining the drugs, that is where they could bring in a criminal prosecution. From what I've seen we don't know what these methods were. But I assume everyone who was involved in this side of things will be keeping quiet to save their own necks.

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hope he gets sued by the athletes he "defeated"
Given that most of these athletes had been doping themselves they would be better off keeping schtum.
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Old Jan 15th, 2013, 04:28 PM   #41
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So, who will really be surprised if, two or three years from now, it's Serena or Sharapova going on Oprah to make the same admission that Armstrong is doing now? You'd better not say it on this board, but the WTA isn't untouched by the rampant doping culture of today's sports world.
I for one wouldn't be. After reading your post, it reminded me of a story regarding Serena. Looked it up and thought I would share it with you.

Are professional tennis players doping, too?

In the wake of the Lance Armstrong scandal, every incredible athlete looks suspicious. And tennis has a lot of them

When the testers do show up, moreover, they don’t always get what they came for. Witness the bizarre “panic-room” incident last year involving Serena Williams, in which Williams apparently mistook a tester conducting an unannounced early-morning visit for an intruder, called the police, and fled to the inner sanctum of her Los Angeles mansion. In the resulting chaos the original verificationist purpose of the call fell by the wayside, and Williams was never tested. Strange. Strange too that, if you discount the more cynical interpretation of events, Williams would be so seemingly unaccustomed to the ritual of surprise visits, a supposed staple of life on the tour. Less strange when you consider that, per the ITF’s own accounting, Williams was not subjected to a single out-of-competition test in either 2010 or 2011.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/13/are_...rs_doping_too/
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Williams was not subjected to a single out-of-competition test in either 2010 or 2011.[/u][/i]

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/13/are_...rs_doping_too/
Oh yes, that period where she spent most of her time in hospital with a life-threatening injury. It's hardly necessary to test when you're not competing.

Shut up you useless, intellectually deficient, imbecile.
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3) The drugs in question banned by WADA and UCI such as EPO aren't illegal drugs and I'm not sure if he can be prosecuted for masterminding a drug ring of legal drugs.
Blood doping isn't an illegal activity in itself, it just happens to be against the rules of his sport.
How about forcing others to dope under a threat of being kicked out of the team?
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Tennis should not be much of a concern dope wise. You can't dope your brain. It's not a cattle sport, like cycling is or x-country skiing for that matter .. where at the end your body is pretty much all that matters.
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How about forcing others to dope under a threat of being kicked out of the team?
Blackmail? They would need something more cogent than just "he says", "she says" which is what is what they've got at this point. As I said, this is the point of the interview - for Armstrong to put forward his version of events which will not involve him being an intimidating ring leader who created an atmosphere of intimidation. Also, in the US blackmail convictions often just results in a fine and carries a maximum one year jail sentence IIRC.
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