[goldenlox]

I can understand why Jimmie is disappointed.
Caro was in a great situation, and gave it away while healthy.
If she thought she could just hit forehands hard into the corners, and they were all going to go in, she made a strange decision.
But Caro is still young and if she cant save her career, then she was probably never mentally tough enough to win a major anyway

[rucolo]

Nice win over Barthel, Caroline !

Mona was weak. Too many UEs. The match vs Aga will tell us more

[backhandsmash]

Originally Posted by CWTennis

huh, I thought this is forum for Caro fans! He has nothing to do here, he can keep trolling on GM!

I have heard that remark somewhere before. And it still doesn't work for me.

Even though I am not always super tolerant in GM when I post there, I like to think I am here.

[Chrissie-fan]

Originally Posted by stegall

random question (glad to see Woz doing well this tourney btw) but when did Jimmie start disliking Woz?

I don't think he dislikes her. He dislikes Rory, the coaching situation, the fact that she's in his opinion no longer a 'girl next door' type but someone who likes the celebrity lifestyle and of course his relationship with several posters on this forum is rather tense. He's sorta neutral about Caroline these days I think, although he probably still roots for her when she's up against someone he doesn't care about. He's no longer a fan, but there are still some feelings of sympathy for her. That's what I think anyway.

[terjw]

Some comments here about Caro arguing with the umpire. I kind of like her that she's like that. Shows she won't just take something she thinks is very wrong without getting some sort of clarification and closure. Of course the trick is that after putting your point of view that you can put it out your mind and continue and not let it affect your game. Some players are ice cool, show no emotion, some players like Caro won't just take it without questioning a decision they think is wrong. And I think you stay with the type of person you are. I don't think bottling it up and not saying anything is right for Caro.

This does not mean I have any sympathy with the antics of McEnroe, Connors and Serena's two incidents at the USO. And I certainly would not like Caro to ever stoop to anything on that scale.

Piotr on the other hand was very lucky they didn't force him to leave after they asked him to and he didn't budge. I've never known him do that before in a match. But that was him and completely separate to Caro herself.

[Protoss]

Originally Posted by goldenlox

Caro plays Aga. When they played last fall, Caro missed an overhead on a short lob that weekend hackers could handle.
So finally Caro plays a top 10 player in her 4th tournament of the year.
This is what she will face the rest of her career, probably. If she wants to win a big title. Aga then Vika

Even Serena has had bad misses on shots.

Caro was down a set and 4-2 in that match. Caro won only half her service games in that match and only 55% of her service games in first two sets of their match before that (Caro's wrist injury didn't seem to be an injury in the 1st two sets).

Caro did poorly against top 10 players last year winning only 22% (2-7). Caro going further in big tournaments is gonna depend a lot upon on improving on that record.

[Protoss]

Originally Posted by rucolo

Nice win over Barthel, Caroline !

Mona was weak. Too many UEs. The match vs Aga will tell us more

I think Caro matches up better with big hitting, aggressive type of players than good defenders.

I'm curious to see who will be the more aggressive player between Caro and Aga. Prior to the 2011 YEC match, Caro was typically the one that was more aggressive in their matches. From that YEC match on, Aga has been the more aggressive player in their matches. I wonder to what extent this change in dynamic has made the matchup more favorable for Aga.

I'd like to see Caro take advantage of Aga's 2nd serve. Aga's 1st serve has definitely improved but her 2nd serve is still mediocre.

[Protoss]

Caro really needs to put away the ball against Aga when she gets the chance to. Putting the ball away is perhaps Caro's biggest problem against good defenders, it's typically less important against the aggressive, big hitting types.

I think the extra oomph from Caro's old Babolat racquet or the greater string tension on her Yonex during at least part of the grass season would be helpful in that regard.

For what it's worth, I don't think that discussions about current or former posters in this forum should probably be taking place in this thread.

[bruce goose]

Contrary to DIAH's claims,I've never forbidden any critical fan from posting here.As long as posters aren't abusive towards Caroline,their opinions are welcome,as far as I'm concerned.

From another perspective,I can freely admit that Caro may not have found the wisest balance between personal and tennis life at times,but she's QUITE far from the worst,most unbalanced measure on that scale.There are several players on tour who've made it crystal clear,by their ACTIONS,that tennis is no more than a brief,money-making interruption from their frequent "sexcapades".There's one MEGA-phony slut who stands out from the crowd,and the WTA is desperately waiting for Godot(i.e.,her eternally-delayed "comeback")so that they can justify how they shamefully OVER-promoted as the future Queen of Tennis while she was unworthier of royalty than John Goodman's character in 'King Ralph'.

Even at her laziest lows,Caroline still trains MUCh harder than so many of the plastic cover girls who default matches or w/d from tourneys b/c of medical emergencies such as clogged skin pores.Further,I haven't even seen haters accuse Caroline of loafing,half-assing her way through matches.Those two criteria alone separate Caroline from so many in the rest of the pack,and her commitment makes her more likable as a person...and not just as a player

[C. W. Fields]

Caro's main advantage over Aga is that she has a bit more power but that advantage will be negated if it's very windy during their match. Then Caro won't dare to hit through the ball much but will just play it safe and then I think Aga's gonna win. The scheduling for today gives me hope, though. From what I've been hearing, the wind blows less later in the day so being last match is good. And from what Caro said, the wind is more bothersome on Court 1 so it should be an advantage to be back on CC (and there's Hawk Eye).

[marineblue]

Originally Posted by Protoss

Caro really needs to put away the ball against Aga when she gets the chance to. Putting the ball away is perhaps Caro's biggest problem against good defenders, it's typically less important against the aggressive, big hitting types.

I think the extra oomph from Caro's old Babolat racquet or the greater string tension on her Yonex during at least part of the grass season would be helpful in that regard.

For what it's worth, I don't think that discussions about current or former posters in this forum should probably be taking place in this thread.

I think that in their last match Caro realised why the aggresive play is not an option when playing someone as good in defense as Aga. Having said that, she cannot just rely on defence neither, she needs to find a good balance.

I totally agree with the statement in bold and have to say that I'm happy that some posters are yesterday's news in this forum.

[TennisFan66]

Originally Posted by terjw

Some comments here about Caro arguing with the umpire. I kind of like her that she's like that.

This does not mean I have any sympathy with the antics of McEnroe, Connors and Serena's two incidents at the USO. And I certainly would not like Caro to ever stoop to anything on that scale.

Piotr on the other hand was very lucky they didn't force him to leave after they asked him to and he didn't budge. I've never known him do that before in a match. But that was him and completely separate to Caro herself.

Agree. For Caro, it helps her to get it out of her system. And she is entitled to express her opinion. I prefer to see her fired up. It shows she cares. Dare I say, it was partly lacking in most of 2012.

Piotr, agree again. It is tennis and he could have been asked to leave. That said, it's blown a bit out of proportions, as these things tend to be. He didn't throw any chairs or punch anyone. It was an exchange of words in the heat of the action. Big deal.

Many a handball coach and football manager has been expelled from the side line. I imagine it also happens in basketball.

While on the subject. People who are feeling all intimidated by Piotr, when he's on court should check out a couple of time-outs in handball, basketball ... They'll find, that Piotr is actually quite mellow in this comparison

[marineblue]

Well,let's face it. The only reason for such a fuss to be made is that Caro & Piotr are involved. If someone else would have done it the most of TF would not even notice. I mean, just taking Caro-Kuznetsova match at AO as example, nobody really cared about what Kuzzie did but if Caro was the one to take a medical timeout you'd hear the same comments as now.

Piotr did go over the top a bit but as Tennisfan says people should have a look at how other sports' coaches are reacting sometimes. Mr Woz just needs to let it be and leave it up to Caro to argue her case. If she feels like arguing, well, that's her right. A lot is at stake so she can express her opinion just like anyone else.

[DownInAHole]

Originally Posted by TennisFan66

Agree. For Caro, it helps her to get it out of her system. And she is entitled to express her opinion. I prefer to see her fired up. It shows she cares. Dare I say, it was partly lacking in most of 2012.

Piotr, agree again. It is tennis and he could have been asked to leave. That said, it's blown a bit out of proportions, as these things tend to be. He didn't thrown any chairs or punch anyone. It was an exchange of words in the heat of the action. Big deal.

Many a handball coach and football manager has been expelled from the side line. I imagine it also happens in basketball.

While on the subject. People who are feeling all intimidated by Piotr, when he's on court should check out a couple of time-outs in handball, basketball ... They'll find, that Piotr is actually quite mellow in this comparison

She had her moments in 2012. Her tantrum at the French Open last year is a modern classic.

[terjw]

Originally Posted by DownInAHole

She had her moments in 2012. Her tantrum at the French Open last year is a modern classic.

I'm 100% behind her on that. That really was atrocious by the chair umpire and there really needs to be a reassessment of his competence. Furthermore - while he inspected the ballmark - he was actually smudging it whilst he did so altering the mark it made which is just unacceptable. That was not like the normal getting a line call wrong. There was a mark that was clearly out. If I was Caro - I would want a reassessment of his competence after that. Calling the supervisor was never going to change anything. Quite rightly, they will never get sucked into overturning a decision and she wasn't even going to get in to looking at the ball mark. But it does raise questions about that chair umpire.

Anyway you look at it on video - whilst the point was played, the ballmark, the TV replay and they even showed hawkeye - it was well out. She ought to have borrowed a camera to take a picture of the mark before that chair umpire smudged it some more.

But anyway - all she was trying to do was get the chair umpire to see the ball was out from the ballmark and didn't swear, call him ugly inside or anything remotely on the scale of McEnroe, Connors or Serena. She persisted and called the supervisor but she didn't carry on after resumption. She did ask him if he went to school - about as mild as you can get - and that's not an insult remotely comparable to those other players.