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Old Jul 4th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #3976
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Caro is down to #10 in the rankings next week. 600 points ahead of Vinci (or 410 points ahead of Lisicki if she wins Wimbledon).
You should update 2013 race also. She has those 3 finals from late in 2012 helping her ranking, for now
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Re: Danish Delight - Caroline Wozniacki thread - vol 6

Is making the YEC still possible?? Considering all the other players from Wimbledon who will have lots of confidence, can they possibly cause upsets??
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YEC is definately possible if Caro has strong results. Anything is possible. Caro was in 3 US Open semifinals in the last 4 years
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Er Fran is a very different case. She was an average player who excelled on clay, the exact surface that if you are a lower ranked player you want to excel on because of how much weaker the field gets on clay. Caro doesn't have that advantage, her best surface is a surface everyone is at least competent on. Schiavone come up against the perfect opponent on the day, she faced a player who was likely to be just as nervous as she would. At the end of the day Schiavone had everything align for her that fortnight. All the types of players she struggled with, well she didn't have to face any of them. Same as Radwanska this fortnight, things had aligned perfectly for her, all her kryptonite's were out. Scenario's like this don't happen very often.

It's more than mentally toughness that's holding Caro back now. She doesn't even get to play the top players at grand slams anymore, because she doesn't get that far in the draw. Mentally though it's not going to be easy for Caroline, the longer it goes on, whenever she next gets back deep in a grand slam, she's likely to be very nervous, she won't have been in that situation for a long time, it could be a disadvantage depending on who her opponent is. Schiavone had the advantage that everything was very new for her, Caro once had it and has now lost it, it's not always as easy to come back from that scenario, because doubts have began to creep in.
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Old Jul 4th, 2013, 08:45 PM   #3980
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You should update 2013 race also. She has those 3 finals from late in 2012 helping her ranking, for now
Lol I thought I might annoy people if I kept posting the race. Here it is:

1 Williams 7240
2 Sharapova 5890
3 Azarenka 5050
4 Radwanska 3837
5 Errani 3581
6 Li 3300
7 Bartoli 3048
8 Kvitova 2551
9 Lisicki 2471
10 Stephens 2397
11 Jankovic 2296
12 Flipkens 2253
13 Kerber 2222
14 Kirilenko 2171
15 Wozniacki 2075
16 Vinci 2062

Essentially it's very bad with regards to Istanbul. 7th is going to be 1000 points clear, 8th Kvitova will be 476 points clear. The bad thing being Kvitova is also in very bad form, and is playing more tournaments than Caro for the rest of the year. Caro's end of the year points allow her to keep a relatively high rank above her race position. In theory we are coming up to Caro's favourite part of the season now so you'd expect her to start rising back up in the race. I will see if I can find the schedules of all these players.

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Thanks! ... Problem is not the 500 points up to Kvitova, but the 7 players in between!! Unlikely that all 7 + Kvitova will flunk the rest of the season.
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Lol I thought I might annoy people if I kept posting the race. Here it is:

1 Williams 7240
2 Sharapova 5890
3 Azarenka 5050
4 Radwanska 3837
5 Errani 3581
6 Li 3300
7 Kvitova 2551
8 Lisicki 2471 W=3071
9 Bartoli 2448 W=3048
10 Stephens 2397
11 Jankovic 2296
12 Flipkens 2253
13 Kerber 2222
14 Kirilenko 2171
15 Wozniacki 2075
16 Vinci 2062
No no it's not annoying - keep posting the race. I think it's more representative than the rankings for Caro. And it's more useful for seeing where players are in the running to make the YEC.
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Is it possible she can get back into the top 10 in the YEC race ?
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Thanks! ... Problem is not the 500 points up to Kvitova, but the 7 players in between!! Unlikely that all 7 + Kvitova will flunk the rest of the season.
They also have the advantage that they can play internationals (except Kvitova), which comes in hand at the end of the season and they can just start playing every tournament under the sun to try and qualify for Istanbul.

At the end of the day it seems obvious that for Caro to make Istanbul, something big has to happen. She either needs to be winning premiers and/or making SF+ at US Open.

New Haven entry list isn't out yet, only Caro, Errani, Kvitova and Kerber are confirmed as the top 10 players.

Of the rest:
PALERMO (INT) - Errani, Vinci

BASTAD (INT) - Williams

STANFORD (PRE) - Sharapova, Radwanska, Bartoli, Flipkens, Lisicki

WASHINGTON (INT) - Stephens
CARLSBAD (PRE) - Azarenka, Radwanska, Kvitova, Vinci, Bartoli, Jankovic, Flipkens

TORONTO (P5) - Everyone bar Azarenka and Bartoli

CINCINNATI (P5) - Everyone

That is every event up until New Haven. I imagine we will see some wildcards given out to some of these players in Stanford and Carlsbad too.
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If Caro comes back on hardcourt and plays like Dubai/IW, she'll be okay. If she plays like Australia or Miami/Charleston/red clay, then she's not going near the YEC.
So it will be interesting to see. One development of this Wimbledon looks like there is more depth on the tour.
Maybe top 3 will keep dominating, but several other players look like they can go deep in slams & premiers with decent draws
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If Caro comes back on hardcourt and plays like Dubai/IW, she'll be okay. If she plays like Australia or Miami/Charleston/red clay, then she's not going near the YEC.
So it will be interesting to see. One development of this Wimbledon looks like there is more depth on the tour.
Maybe top 3 will keep dominating, but several other players look like they can go deep in slams & premiers with decent draws
I fully expect the top 3 to dominate the USO hard court season, hard courts lead themselves to less upsets than grass, and I don't see Lisicki or Bartoli becoming contenders overnight. This would be good for Caro also, she doesn't want these titles to start dispersing all over the place unless she's the one winning them, you see from Wimbledon why this is a bad thing.

Caro needs some big results anyway, once upon a time I was thinking we were heading for a reasonably low Istanbul cutoff, after Wimbledon though it doesn't really look that way though (amazing what a grand slam title does for your points total ). It's going to take semi-finals+ and several of them to make Istanbul.
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I fully expect the top 3 to dominate the USO hard court season, hard courts lead themselves to less upsets than grass, and I don't see Lisicki or Bartoli becoming contenders overnight. This would be good for Caro also, she doesn't want these titles to start dispersing all over the place unless she's the one winning them, you see from Wimbledon why this is a bad thing.

Caro needs some big results anyway, once upon a time I was thinking we were heading for a reasonably low Istanbul cutoff, after Wimbledon though it doesn't really look that way though (amazing what a grand slam title does for your points total ). It's going to take semi-finals+ and several of them to make Istanbul.
I dont see Istanbul as a goal. Playing high level tennis, tournament after tournament should be the goal.
Radwanska was so close to playing Bartoli in a slam final. 2 years ago nobody would say Aga was as good a player as Caro. Whatever happened that now Aga is right there at the end of majors while Caro is out before the QF in 6 straight majors, out before round 3 in 4 of the last 6, she has to start turning that around and making deep runs again.
This major was flukey with Errani & Caro as high seeds in the same section, but other slams will have soft sections and Caro has to start getting to quarterfinals regularly again.
Navratilova used to say that tournaments start at the quarterfinal round.
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