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Old Apr 13th, 2013, 09:40 PM   #1996
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Not really. She started to struggle almost immediately after she met Rory. Not that the two are therefore necessarily related, and even if they are he's probably just a contributing factor but not the main reason. But it's easier for the media, former players, 'specialists' and bloggers to put the blame on Rory than on the failed experiments with her game since they were the ones that always urged her to tinker with her game. Without Rory they would have to say, "we got it wrong" and for those oracles of wisdom it's far more convenient to put the blame on Rory or Piotr than to harm their own credibility. I'm sure you must be happy that she's doing poorly though, no matter what the reasons are.
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Caroline`s downfall started at French Open 2011 where she bombed out in R3 to Hantuchova 1-6 3-6. And since then it got worse and worse. Look where we are now. Caroline is a mess right now. Losses to Pervak, Wang, Muguruza, Vögele. Tell me what great things has Caro achieved while being with Rory ?

You really need to wake up
You both need a reality check, starting by looking at her results leading up to the FO, the tiredness in Miami, the crazy fitness drive for the FO, and the injury in Basted... Then look at her results later that year and realise that there was no collapse. Throw in Coaching changes and the switch while you're at it. Suggesting there was any correlation between her game and Rory is frankly delusional to a J48 degree and frankly boring. We already saw depth and weight falloff in Sydney well before she met the guy.
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You both need a reality check, starting by looking at her results leading up to the FO, the tiredness in Miami, the crazy fitness drive for the FO, and the injury in Basted... Then look at her results later that year and realise that there was no collapse. Throw in Coaching changes and the switch while you're at it. Suggesting there was any correlation between her game and Rory is frankly delusional to a J48 degree and frankly boring. We already saw depth and weight falloff in Sydney well before she met the guy.
Why do you continually drag Jimmie48 and other users through the mud? This is just another opinion, which you just pass this off as if it is fact. For starters there is a whole variety reasons for why as a factor your results wouldn't just fall off a cliff tomorrow, it's not like you would meet someone then tomorrow your game becomes far worse. A combination of factors of it takes time for your game to decline, your confidence in that game to decline. There is also the fact that Caro was still number 1 seed, you have a big advantage to deep if you are getting favourable draws. Even taking all that into account, Caro's consistency was gone pretty quickly (it became more frequent for her to go out early than it did to go deep).

I say this as someone who doesn't blame Rory. If her relationship with Rory has caused her problems, then that is Caro's fault, not Rory's. Imo it hasn't helped Caro's motivation, mental toughness at all, she has a comfort zone after losses now which I don't think is a good thing. But if that is true it is not Rory's fault, it's Caroline's.
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Re: Danish Delight - Caroline Wozniacki thread - vol 6

Regarding Rory, I guess it is fair to say that he is not responsible for her game going south but it is also probably fair to say that the relationship has not helped her game either. Maybe it is just a crazy coincidence but if you look at her results they basically nosedived right around the time she started seeing him. She did have a brief recovery winning New Haven and making the semis at the U.S. Open but other than that her results have been much more miss than hit over the last twenty months, at least compared to when she was regularly making semis and finals. Realistically she was never going to be able to sustain those kinds of results but is she really maximising her potential now? Is this the best she is capable of? I don't think that it is. She dropped from number one to out of the top five very quickly and now she is struggling to stay in the top ten. She has shown brief flashes of her old form (making the semis in Miami last year, the final at Indian Wells this year) but she is not able to build any momentum and sustain those kinds of results. It is impossible for any of us to know why but her consistency is gone and has been gone for nearly two years now. I don't know what the problem is but there is a serious problem and she shows no signs of correcting it. This has been going on long enough that you can't really call it a slump any longer. She still has time to turn things around but it looks like this is her level and August, 2010-April, 2011 was the anomaly.
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Why do you continually drag Jimmie48 and other users through the mud? This is just another opinion, which you just pass this off as if it is fact. For starters there is a whole variety reasons for why as a factor your results wouldn't just fall off a cliff tomorrow, it's not like you would meet someone then tomorrow your game becomes far worse. A combination of factors of it takes time for your game to decline, your confidence in that game to decline. There is also the fact that Caro was still number 1 seed, you have a big advantage to deep if you are getting favourable draws. Even taking all that into account, Caro's consistency was gone pretty quickly (it became more frequent for her to go out early than it did to go deep).

I say this as someone who doesn't blame Rory. If her relationship with Rory has caused her problems, then that is Caro's fault, not Rory's. Imo it hasn't helped Caro's motivation, mental toughness at all, she has a comfort zone after losses now which I don't think is a good thing. But if that is true it is not Rory's fault, it's Caroline's.
Thank you for your opinion... The whole seeding thing was a revelation... I thought they just played whomever showed up on a first come first served basis... Now please go and recheck the the results, injuries, training events, and watch the matches again.

Rehashing the same tired arguments about her sex life is boring in the extreme, and little more than a tool used to try and tear this community apart. Voicing it pretty much discounts an understanding of tennis, and deriding her choices precludes respect for her as a person, ergo why post here at all? Moreover, It is also way beyond the scope of reasonable debate about her performance as an athlete. I assure you I am not alone in this opinion.

A tip... If I wan't to call out a troll, I will. We have had more than our share here already, and we will deal with them accordingly.

Another tip. There is already a thread for left-field Caro related musings and non tennis trivia where such theories can meet the reaction they deserve without endlessly derailing this thread....
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Re: Danish Delight - Caroline Wozniacki thread - vol 6

I dont blame Rory. To me, its because Caroline is uncoachable. She's destroying her own career.
How come when her opponent hits a short lob on a big point, Caroline cant win the point?
A simple floater at the net, like the match point against Kvitova a few weeks ago, she puts in the doubles alley.
Why arent they working on the simple things, that most weekend hackers can do?

Reading that her dad called her a "clown" during that Pervak loss is pitiful. She needs positive motivation and good tactical advice. And nonstop.
She needs good warmups before matches and positive motivation before matches.

This whole situation with her dad seems like such a screwup. Nothing is improving, she doesnt seem motivated enough almost half the matches. Too many slow starts and too much falling apart during winnable matches.
And its because Caroline wont accept fulltime coaching. She leaves after one match at a major and go watch golf. You need to study what happened, why you lost round 1 and work on improving things.
She has to be able to win key points on the simpliest of put aways
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Old Apr 14th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #2003
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Thank you for your opinion... The whole seeding thing was a revelation... I thought they just played whomever showed up on a first come first served basis... Now please go and recheck the the results, injuries, training events, and watch the matches again.

Rehashing the same tired arguments about her sex life is boring in the extreme, and little more than a tool used to try and tear this community apart. Voicing it pretty much discounts an understanding of tennis, and deriding her choices precludes respect for her as a person, ergo why post here at all? Moreover, It is also way beyond the scope of reasonable debate about her performance as an athlete. I assure you I am not alone in this opinion.

A tip... If I wan't to call out a troll, I will. We have had more than our share here already, and we will deal with them accordingly.

Another tip. There is already a thread for left-field Caro related musings and non tennis trivia where such theories can meet the reaction they deserve without endlessly derailing this thread....
Ok lets compare results then. July 2010-June 2011 Caroline won 10 titles, made 3 finals, 3 semi-finals. July 2011-June 2012 Caroline won 1 title, made 1 final, 3 semi-finals. July 2012-Now Caroline won 2 titles, made 2 finals, 3 semi-finals. Given Caroline met Rory in July 2011, you can see why people may think their relationship has impacted her results.

Rehashing "the same tired arguments" maybe boring in your eyes. Yet you do the exact same thing just reciting different arguments about rackets, training and injuries. It's a discussion up for debate, there are no black and white answers.

You may not be alone in your opinion, but it's quite evident from reading this thread, the other side has plenty of takers too. Just putting it down to them having a lack of understanding for tennis is just a lack of all objective thinking. Everybody ultimately wants Caroline to maximise her on court performance, there are clearly many who feel she is not doing this right now. No-one, at least very few (there maybe a few out there I guess) are against her being in a relationship, it's not like being in relationship = decline, it's how you deal with it.

Jimmie48 (and the others you insulted rucolo, Chrissie-fan etc.) are not trolls, they have opinions. Just like you and I have an opinion. May I ask when you consistently bring in personal insults against users and pundits, how is that not derailing the thread?

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I dont blame Rory. To me, its because Caroline is uncoachable. She's destroying her own career.
How come when her opponent hits a short lob on a big point, Caroline cant win the point?
A simple floater at the net, like the match point against Kvitova a few weeks ago, she puts in the doubles alley.
Why arent they working on the simple things, that most weekend hackers can do?

Reading that her dad called her a "clown" during that Pervak loss is pitiful. She needs positive motivation and good tactical advice. And nonstop.
She needs good warmups before matches and positive motivation before matches.

This whole situation with her dad seems like such a screwup. Nothing is improving, she doesnt seem motivated enough almost half the matches. Too many slow starts and too much falling apart during winnable matches.
And its because Caroline wont accept fulltime coaching. She leaves after one match at a major and go watch golf. You need to study what happened, why you lost round 1 and work on improving things.
She has to be able to win key points on the simpliest of put aways
Yes I agree with all of this. Even if the relationship has caused Caro to take her eye off the ball. That is not Rory's fault, that could have been anybody. It all ultimately comes down to Caroline.

Right now Caro has a comfort zone around her, but is this the best thing for her career. This team got her to number 1, but those times are long ago. They seem lacking in answers now, not only do they appear unable to develop her game sufficiently, they also don't appear to be able to instill confidence into Caro, Caro doesn't believe in her game anymore.
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How many accounts does J48 have? Or is J48 also a secondary account?
Dude, what the heck is your problem?

I don't even post in here anymore and you still got your panties in a bunch about me? Your obsession with me is unhealthy to say the least (one could say "insane"), why do you even care what I have to say?

I'm baffled that I'm striking such a nerve with you...the sad thing is, I'm not even trying, I don't care about you..give it a rest

You`re doing a great job making this such a xenophobic place. I'm active in a bunch of player forums and this is by far the most unfriendly and paranoid one I know off, quite amazing considering that some of the nicest people on TF post in here. But you manage to create this special atmosphere all by yourself...thats an accomplishment I guess

To answer your question: I don't have a secondary account, never have.
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For me, since she met Rory she lost her focus in tennis. To cheer him arround the world is one point but there is no energy left for improve her game.
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To me,we're not required to respect all of Caroline's choices...merely her freedom to MAKE them.I'll agree with Burisleif that it calls fanship into question when someone ridicules Caro's character or intelligence as if she were completely feeble or an idiot.As 'B' touched on: If you don't have any respect for Caroline AS A PERSON,then perhaps this forum isn't the place for you if you can't refrain from showing such a lack of respect.

However,if it's simply a case of civilly doubting some of the decisions that she makes,then I don't see that as anywhere near off limits.I can't pinpoint any of those decisions as stupid,per se(though my tone may have overly implied that--which was careless of me),but I suspect that she made a few of them based on her emotional state/needs,even though they weren't well grounded in sound wisdom
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I dont blame Rory. To me, its because Caroline is uncoachable. She's destroying her own career.
How come when her opponent hits a short lob on a big point, Caroline cant win the point?
A simple floater at the net, like the match point against Kvitova a few weeks ago, she puts in the doubles alley.
Why arent they working on the simple things, that most weekend hackers can do?

Reading that her dad called her a "clown" during that Pervak loss is pitiful. She needs positive motivation and good tactical advice. And nonstop.
She needs good warmups before matches and positive motivation before matches.

This whole situation with her dad seems like such a screwup. Nothing is improving, she doesnt seem motivated enough almost half the matches. Too many slow starts and too much falling apart during winnable matches.
And its because Caroline wont accept fulltime coaching. She leaves after one match at a major and go watch golf. You need to study what happened, why you lost round 1 and work on improving things.
She has to be able to win key points on the simpliest of put aways
I agree 100%!
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We need Stuttgart ASAP, to cool off the air around here , though I'm afraid Stuttgart will bring more pain than joy.

I'm a golf inept, is the masters over today? I assume these major tournaments finish on Sundays.
I hope Caro travels to Monaco soonish, she really needs some red clay practice.
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We need Stuttgart ASAP, to cool off the air around here , though I'm afraid Stuttgart will bring more pain than joy.

I'm a golf inept, is the masters over today? I assume these major tournaments finish on Sundays.
I hope Caro travels to Monaco soonish, she really needs some red clay practice.
Yes, when there are weeks between tournaments things tend to get a little tense here.
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