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Old Apr 13th, 2013, 04:45 AM   #1981
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Re: Danish Delight - Caroline Wozniacki thread - vol 6

I,for one,am glad that we can blame RORY...and not Verdasco,Isner or Eurotrash cokefiend Stepanek for Caro's problems
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Old Apr 13th, 2013, 07:49 AM   #1982
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Don't be a revisionist
Caro's game was on the downhill long before she ever met Rory.
Not really. She started to struggle almost immediately after she met Rory. Not that the two are therefore necessarily related, and even if they are he's probably just a contributing factor but not the main reason. But it's easier for the media, former players, 'specialists' and bloggers to put the blame on Rory than on the failed experiments with her game since they were the ones that always urged her to tinker with her game. Without Rory they would have to say, "we got it wrong" and for those oracles of wisdom it's far more convenient to put the blame on Rory or Piotr than to harm their own credibility. I'm sure you must be happy that she's doing poorly though, no matter what the reasons are.
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^ Nice parting shot, Chrissie
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Old Apr 13th, 2013, 12:23 PM   #1984
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Re: Danish Delight - Caroline Wozniacki thread - vol 6

I happen to think Rory is helping Caro keep her mental sanity during her slump

Would you rather have Caro constantly dwell on her losses and loss of form?
Having to defend her dad as her coach in the media, take unsolicited tennis advice from tennis "experts" and her "fans"?
Be reminded constantly how her contemporaries are now ahead of her in the ranking?

I think dating Rory is her only source of happiness right now.
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I happen to think Rory is helping Caro keep her mental sanity during her slump

Would you rather have Caro constantly dwell on her losses and loss of form?
Having to defend her dad as her coach in the media, take unsolicited tennis advice from tennis "experts" and her "fans"?
Be reminded constantly how her contemporaries are now ahead of her in the ranking?

I think dating Rory is her only source of happiness right now.
Maybe Caro could actually do with some dwelling on her losses and loss of form, and away with this "there is always next week" mantra. Being reminded how her contemporaries have overtaken her on the tennis court might serve as some sort of inspiration. Sometimes being told how it really is isn't a bad thing.
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Old Apr 13th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #1986
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Maybe Caro could actually do with some dwelling on her losses and loss of form, and away with this "there is always next week" mantra. Being reminded how her contemporaries have overtaken her on the tennis court might serve as some sort of inspiration. Sometimes being told how it really is isn't a bad thing.
Look, Caro is being a professional when she doesn't pull a temper tantrum or "woe is me" pity party at press conferences.
She is representing her sponsors and protecting "caro" brand by being composed and putting on a brave face after a disappointing loss.

But it's also a facade. I'm sure she is bitterly disappointed with her recent results but it does her no good by showing her disappointment in public.
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Look, Caro is being a professional when she doesn't pull a temper tantrum or "woe is me" pity party at press conferences.
She is representing her sponsors and protecting "caro" brand by being composed and putting on a brave face after a disappointing loss.

But it's also a facade. I'm sure she is bitterly disappointed with her recent results but it does her no good by showing her disappointment in public.
Sure, it's a facade. There's not much to learn about her state of mind from a press conference and she could just as well submit a cassette tape to them instead of appearing there in person because she always gets the same questions and she always gives the same answers.
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Look, Caro is being a professional when she doesn't pull a temper tantrum or "woe is me" pity party at press conferences.
She is representing her sponsors and protecting "caro" brand by being composed and putting on a brave face after a disappointing loss.

But it's also a facade. I'm sure she is bitterly disappointed with her recent results but it does her no good by showing her disappointment in public.
You don't know the first part. You're not doing much for the "Caro" brand either when according to your own words your opponent ranked outside the top 60 was just too good today week after week.

As for you second part, I see the majority of top players show disappointment in public. Serena, Sharapova, Azarenka, Li (maybe Radwanska) have all very outwardly shown disappointment for losses. You can actively see what drives these players. Actions speak louder than words, but in Caro's case she loses R1 at grand slams and goes to watch golf. Serena loses R1 and she doesn't leave her room for 2 days. Being in a comfort zone isn't always the best thing for your career.

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I happen to think Rory is helping Caro keep her mental sanity during her slump

Would you rather have Caro constantly dwell on her losses and loss of form?
Having to defend her dad as her coach in the media, take unsolicited tennis advice from tennis "experts" and her "fans"?
Be reminded constantly how her contemporaries are now ahead of her in the ranking?

I think dating Rory is her only source of happiness right now.
I have no problems with Rory. Her long term personal happiness is the most important thing, just like it is for everyone. If he is "the one" she should go for it. But if he isn't and he's in any shape or form responsible for her slump I hope that she won't regret it later. He seems like a nice guy though so let's hope for the best as far as their relationship is concerned.
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Don't be a revisionist
Caro's game was on the downhill long before she ever met Rory.
Bullshit

Caroline`s downfall started at French Open 2011 where she bombed out in R3 to Hantuchova 1-6 3-6. And since then it got worse and worse. Look where we are now. Caroline is a mess right now. Losses to Pervak, Wang, Muguruza, Vögele. Tell me what great things has Caro achieved while being with Rory ?

You really need to wake up
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The whole forensic approach to this is often very poorly thought-out;even with cases like Slutty Ana,it's not like she suddenly noticed that men existed,became intrigued and changed her mind about tennis.No,in a VERY rare honest moment,she admitted that she went sour on tennis when she realized that it was a JOB(and that she couldn't succeed by living like the childish,spoiled GIRL that she really is).Men aren't the SOURCE of the problem for such players;the distracting relationships are just a symptom of the overall unproductive attitude.

Going back to Caro,the discussion from critics is usually poorly contrived:
What's the argument?That Caroline was sufficiently focused on being the best.....met Rory.....and then was so overwhelmed by his charisma that she lost her mental composure and couldn't concentrate on anything else??With all due respect to any such believers,that's asinine,juvenile reasoning.It's far,FAR more logical to propose that Caroline reached a point where tennis became less emotionally satisfying;she contemplated how she lacked a companion who might be funner than tennis(according to that state of mind she had at the moment);and then she sought a relationship when it became viable.It's difficult to conceive that Caroline would get instantly infatuated with Rory....More like she was impressed with his gentlemanly conduct towards her and gradually grew fonder of him.Let's not forget how handsome Verdasco is considered by many women...and how aggressively he pursued Caroline...and wound up falling on his face,by shallow playboy standards,in the end.

The WS had periods a few years ago(am NOT referring to the more serious injuries) when they invented excuses to stay away from tennis b/c THEIR interest had waned,too.Instead of being ridiculed for having bfs,they got attention for pursuing BUSINESS opportunities,especially their interest in clothing design.Did WS fans say,'Oh,that damned fashion industry is destroying Vee's/Ree's career!'??Of course not because,if it hadn't been clothing,it would've been something else.Likewise,even if some witch cast a spell that completely killed Caro's desire towards men,she'd find something else to fill the void of satisfaction that tennis no longer provided....or,failing that,she'd simply have less fire within her and would routinely go through the motions in her career until(IF) she found that youthful desire again.

In sum,Caro's relationship is,IN NO WAY,the SOURCE of the problem...even if one conceded that she allowed it to take valuable time away from tennis...which is still OPINION and not empirical fact(unless one can do a cross-comparison on how much time successful stars like Vika spend with their bfs,and thus determine that Caroline 'exceeds the normal limit').Ultimately,a ROOT cause would be that Caro lacked the same level of determination to succeed...and THEN pursued other things,such as relationships,to make her happy.That would mean that the problem resided WITHIN CARO and wasn't 'caused' by any person
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Caro's loss against Voegele was very disappointing for me in that I stayed up to watch the 1st set and apart from the end (when she missed a sitter to win the set 6-1) she played really well. Then I find the nest day that she lost. Even then her W:UE ratio for the whole match was positive and good. But she still lost.

She hit a lot of winners with her forehand in that 1st set I watched. She's got that shot of forehand DTL since the end of last year which is better. But the trouble overall with Caro is that she is just too inconsistent now. Somehow she lost that match that she was in total control of.

One thing that seems to happen nowadays is that Caro has patches where she cannot hold serve (and when she does it is by the skin of her teeth). I'd be interested in stats comparing the Caro with the top ten players on holding serve. I think it needs to be understood by Caro and her team why that is happening.
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Going back to Caro,the discussion from critics is usually poorly contrived:
What's the argument?That Caroline was sufficiently focused on being the best.....met Rory.....and then was so overwhelmed by his charisma that she lost her mental composure and couldn't concentrate on anything else??With all due respect to any such believers,that's asinine,juvenile reasoning.It's far,FAR more logical to propose that Caroline reached a point where tennis became less emotionally satisfying;she contemplated how she lacked a companion who might be funner than tennis(according to that state of mind she had at the moment);and then she sought a relationship when it became viable.It's difficult to conceive that Caroline would get instantly infatuated with Rory....More like she was impressed with his gentlemanly conduct towards her and gradually grew fonder of him.Let's not forget how handsome Verdasco is considered by many women...and how aggressively he pursued Caroline...and wound up falling on his face,by shallow playboy standards,in the end.

The WS had periods a few years ago(am NOT referring to the more serious injuries) when they invented excuses to stay away from tennis b/c THEIR interest had waned,too.Instead of being ridiculed for having bfs,they got attention for pursuing BUSINESS opportunities,especially their interest in clothing design.Did WS fans say,'Oh,that damned fashion industry is destroying Vee's/Ree's career!'??Of course not because,if it hadn't been clothing,it would've been something else.Likewise,even if some witch cast a spell that completely killed Caro's desire towards men,she'd find something else to fill the void of satisfaction that tennis no longer provided....or,failing that,she'd simply have less fire within her and would routinely go through the motions in her career until(IF) she found that youthful desire again.

In sum,Caro's relationship is,IN NO WAY,the SOURCE of the problem...even if one conceded that she allowed it to take valuable time away from tennis...which is still OPINION and not empirical fact(unless one can do a cross-comparison on how much time successful stars like Vika spend with their bfs,and thus determine that Caroline 'exceeds the normal limit').Ultimately,a ROOT cause would be that Caro lacked the same level of determination to succeed...and THEN pursued other things,such as relationships,to make her happy.That would mean that the problem resided WITHIN CARO and wasn't 'caused' by any person
Very well said
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There are McIlroy fans who think Caroline is ruining his career.
Who knows. Its important for Caroline to get some results on red clay. last year was almost giving up when clay started
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