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Old Apr 8th, 2013, 11:02 PM   #1906
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Though I can strongly sympathize with your practical approach to not continuously lamenting Caroline's struggles,Burisleif,you WELL understand that it's unrealistic to expect that from a sports fans' forum.Even though it's unproductive,many sports fans seek to gain some sort of catharsis by rigorously analyzing what has gone wrong,in their eyes.I can easily grasp why that would be annoying to you and other like-minded folks(it's annoying to ME sometimes,too),but you can't honestly expect to change the mentality of posters here by offering them logical alternatives...it's like a ritual for them.I might as well tell a bunch of diehard socialists how they've frittered away BILLIONS in currency on wasteful,poorly-contrived spending programs...and have NOTHING to show for it.It wouldn't matter if I were the best locutor in human history b/c they're so rigidly locked into their mindset that they can't see beyond its limits

On a personal,emotional level,it's easier to get attached to a gal like Caro,who's so eminently likable.What's HARDER to understand is why fans get emotionally attached to sleazy,shallow performers who don't give a shit about their careers OR their fans.....I used to belong to such a fan forum,but THAT was due to blindness that took a long while to cure
I told you we need a cathartic thread called 'The Unbearable Lightness of Being a Caro Fan" in which to post emotional hyperbole...
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Old Apr 8th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #1907
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To so Far Caro Has Played Four Decent Event Aussie Open where she made the 4th round, Doha Where she made the QF, Dubai Where she made the SF, & IW. I have Mixed Feeling about Charleston do to the fact I happy she made too the QF but she should won her QF match & should made too at least the SF or F. But We still have Full year ahead hopeful she get together & pull some good result I like her too play Stanford or Carlsbad as well, & nine time outta ten she going play New Haven
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It's Carlsbad and Stanford. San Diego is the nearest big city to Carlsbad kind of how we call the tournament in Key Biscayne Florida "Miami".

Caro typically plays 3 to 4 tournaments in the summer prior to the US Open. I think the majority of the top 10 will probably 3 US Open warmup tournaments (Serena, Vika, and Sharapova will probably play just two).

Caro tends to struggle after long layoffs and starting her summer hard court season in Toronto would mean at least a month off. If she flops in Toronto, then her only shot at match play would be in Cincy.

I kind of like the idea of Caro playing Stanford, having a week off, playing Toronto and Cincy, and then having a week off before the US Open.
Something did feel a little off while I was typing that sentence. Eh, it just underscores my well deserved reputation for not having a firm grasp on facts.
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Old Apr 8th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #1909
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There was nothing to rebuild. She was at the top. She needed to improve her serve, her volleying, her forehand, but she was very successful with her skillset.
I will never believe they intentionally tore down her game for a 5 year rebuilding project. Confidence in this sport is too difficult to get, nobody tears it down intentionally
I agree, except against on form power players she was having to go 110% to compete which isn't sustainable if she runs into a draw full of them doing there one dimensional whack the skin of the ball routine?

I don't think they intentionally tore down her game either... They messed up... But it will take time to get that consistent depth back.

If by 5 year plan you mean my guess of 2017 as her peak? I mean that all things being perfect that should be where here mental game and physical prowess combined should be at there greatest with her kind of game.
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What power players was she losing to? Kim? Serena? Nobody was beating those 2 at their best.
She had more problems with Vera than power players.
Just improve the serve a little, the volleying a little.. natural progression that's normal for any young star
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I wish I knew... I saw lots of positives in IW. I didn't bother with Miami because it was obviously not her court.
May I ask why Miami is not her court? Miami is an ultra slow hard court, ok it's not helping Caro hit through the court. But it should be very hard to hit through Caroline. Miami is a court made for defensive players (quite literally they are building it to benefit defensive players).
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What power players was she losing to? Kim? Serena? Nobody was beating those 2 at their best.
She had more problems with Vera than power players.
Just improve the serve a little, the volleying a little.. natural progression that's normal for any young star
I agree with you...

Not loosing as such, but facing an onslaught of bam bam bang, that would wear any defensive player out.

Li Na? Domi mk2, Petra Mk 1, Sabine mk 13, Dani Mk 3 - 0.5, Arvine mk 2, Maria Mk 3, and many others that came, exploded and faded etc.

Then came the ankle... Sanchez bam bam, the switch, the shoulder, etc etc.
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May I ask why Miami is not her court? Miami is an ultra slow hard court, ok it's not helping Caro hit through the court. But it should be very hard to hit through Caroline. Miami is a court made for defensive players (quite literally they are building it to benefit defensive players).
Getting to the balls was always more tricky there iirc, less effect from her own BH, being right after a gruelling effort at IW with yet more fresh cannon spitting fodder to deal with. They should move one to before slam one, and the other to two weeks before the USO.
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What power players was she losing to? Kim? Serena? Nobody was beating those 2 at their best.
She had more problems with Vera than power players.
Just improve the serve a little, the volleying a little.. natural progression that's normal for any young star
Agree. Even Kim was using more than just power to beat Caroline. Serena is an outstanding all time great, everyone in the game has a Serena problem. There really aren't that many power players to be worried about for the top defensive players, because just being a power player isn't enough to beat a good defensive player, you need to be tactically astute.

But Caroline has now reached a stage that she's way too prone to being outhit by players who aren't even heavy hitters. Pervak hit 61 UE's vs Caro at the start of the year, if you told me Caroline would lose to a player with 61 UE a couple of years ago I'd have laughed you off. Pervak is traditionally a defensive player too. Voegele really wasn't that outstanding the other day. Caroline has a habit of not being able to see players off anymore, she gives them enough errors, hope, to let them back in the match. The large majority of players beating Caro are not playing world beating tennis.
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Getting to the balls was always more tricky there iirc, less effect from her own BH, being right after a gruelling effort at IW with yet more fresh cannon spitting fodder to deal with. They should move one to before slam one, and the other to two weeks before the USO.
I agree with the Indian Wells point, but that is true of everyone that goes deep in Indian Wells. Indian Wells and Miami are both very slow. The actual court in Miami is quicker than in Indian Wells. Difference is at Indian Wells the ball flies through the air, in Miami it's the opposite, the ball is slow through the air. They are made to benefit defensive players, imo Miami is a lot better for Caroline than any of the big hitters.
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Agree. Even Kim was using more than just power to beat Caroline. Serena is an outstanding all time great, everyone in the game has a Serena problem. There really aren't that many power players to be worried about for the top defensive players, because just being a power player isn't enough to beat a good defensive player, you need to be tactically astute.

But Caroline has now reached a stage that she's way too prone to being outhit by players who aren't even heavy hitters. Pervak hit 61 UE's vs Caro at the start of the year, if you told me Caroline would lose to a player with 61 UE a couple of years ago I'd have laughed you off. Pervak is traditionally a defensive player too. Voegele really wasn't that outstanding the other day. Caroline has a habit of not being able to see players off anymore, she gives them enough errors, hope, to let them back in the match. The large majority of players beating Caro are not playing world beating tennis.
Again I agree, however, the ankle injury, and the trend at the time of BBB after BBB in the draw all take a toll. The switching of the mind set from dealing with a string of fodder to facing an intelligent player with game, cost Caroline a few key matches both due to being in the wrong zone but i suspect also drained physically from grinding it out.
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I agree with the Indian Wells point, but that is true of everyone that goes deep in Indian Wells. Indian Wells and Miami are both very slow. The actual court in Miami is quicker than in Indian Wells. Difference is at Indian Wells the ball flies through the air, in Miami it's the opposite, the ball is slow through the air. They are made to benefit defensive players, imo Miami is a lot better for Caroline than any of the big hitters.
Looking at the roll of honnor, Agnieszka and Kim stand out as atypical and perhaps contrary to percieved theory? Add a fresh and looming Serena...
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Again I agree, however, the ankle injury, and the trend at the time of BBB after BBB in the draw all take a toll. The switching of the mind set from dealing with a string of fodder to facing an intelligent player with game, cost Caroline a few key matches both due to being in the wrong zone but i suspect also drained physically from grinding it out.
You must have a much looser definition of BBB to me.
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Looking at the roll of honnor, Agnieszka and Kim stand out as atypical and perhaps contrary to percieved theory? Add a fresh and looming Serena...
Serena has the advantage that she always comes in fresh vs a less fresh field. She's also normally the best player in the draw. It's not like Miami was always the ultra slow court it is now either so only really the recent years are relevant. Caro needs to be good on this kind of surface, because a lot of joint events are using this model for their court surface these days. Probably the worst thing being this new craze that events have of making the centre court a lot slower than the outside courts (which I personally don't think should be allowed, but is widely going on at the big hard court events now).
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I agree with Ozza Caro does make more error then usually that something that need too get cut down on is the errors but also I think depth is the main key as well, she need too keep her shot deep in the court when they land shot she give her opponent easy chances too hit an winner, and as we said many times her serve need too be work on that something that can help her in the long run and well, her volley skill & net play can improve also that why I kinda think it be good for her too play some double more often too get used too coming into the net more often, Caro used too play double alot back in 06-09. & as far as the racket thing I look at some of her old video back in 08-09 when she was using Babolt To me her shot where more Flatten and had more Power then it has now with the Yonex, The Yonex make her shot have too much spin IMO, Not saying that her Main and only Problem but it something to consider like Mitten Kitten have said before.
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