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Old Apr 8th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #1891
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I don't regard it as an insult, further, if you read medical studies you will realise that we are all mentaly ill. It is a question of degree that constitutes clinical diagnosis as a disorder. Ignooring that little reality is imho insulting to those with a greater degree than myself through no fault of there own. All human beings share traits that can be at either extreme or bang on centre yet still be a trait. Don't expect me to add to a stigma that shouldn't exist for other than that of being human.

I will read the rest of your post at an alternate time.
Thats not necessarily true. There are many different types of psychology, and plenty dont view everyone as mentally ill. The term 'normal' really depends on who is doing the labeling.
Thats the wrong road to take when discussing tennis. Abnormal psychology is very split with a lot of different views on people who can function in society.

Tennis does have a lot to do with psychology. With motivation, concentration, focus. But calling everyone mentally ill just takes everyone of the topics in tennis being discussed
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Old Apr 8th, 2013, 09:06 PM   #1892
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From mid 2010-2011 no one won anything over Tier 2 except Caro or Kim. There was no doubt she was in the top 2, and we knew Kim wasnt hanging around too long.
But I think whats happened since then will have people minimizing that. I thought holding 9 titles with 15 semis in 19 tournaments is pretty rare.
But the career is more than 2 years, and when you show great early results, most people expect to see a lot more
A big regret in that period is that due to the seeding system, Caroline for one reason or another rarely faced players of the type and calber now at the top (thats not a slur on the talented oponents then at the top). I think her game would have benefited from playing an inform, Maria, Serena, and Kim far more often than she did. It sometimes feals like a coup d'etat of the big hitters crept in by the side door, prompting a change at too rapid a pace, and to too extream of a degree, than that that was actually needed. If she made half the margional misses against Voegele then she would have won in straight sets. She still needs to find that consistent serve and extra gear to compete with on form Serena, and put pressure on an on form Maria though.

I'm still of no doubt she will rebuild and get back up where she belongs again though.
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Old Apr 8th, 2013, 09:10 PM   #1893
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Re: Danish Delight - Caroline Wozniacki thread - vol 6

Caroline beat Vika, Maria, Aga, Petra, Sveta, Ana, fran and plenty of other good players.
What was special was that she had no bad losses for a long time.
Starting with winning Rogers Cup, until the Stuttgart final, she won 7 of 14 tournaments and her only losses were to Kim, Vera, Sam, Petkovic and Cibulkova.
Thats it
Then she had 2 losses on clay to Goerges, then made the semi of Rome losing to Sharapova, then won Brussels.
So the worst players to beat her over 17 tournaments were Goerges, Cibulkova & Petkovic.
Totally different and higher quality group than who beat her now.
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Thats not necessarily true. There are many different types of psychology, and plenty dont view everyone as mentally ill. The term 'normal' really depends on who is doing the labeling.
Thats the wrong road to take when discussing tennis. Abnormal psychology is very split with a lot of different views on people who can function in society.

Tennis does have a lot to do with psychology. With motivation, concentration, focus. But calling everyone mentally ill just takes everyone of the topics in tennis being discussed
I wasn't discussing tennis psychology, but using a symptomatic metaphor for the need among commentators, pundits and fans, to categories, genre label, and box everything into bounds and categories that don't particularly apply except for unsatisfactory clarification to uniformed audiences.
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Hey Burisleif...when do you think these improvements/changes to Caro's game will show up on a fairly consistent basis?
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Caroline beat Vika, Maria, Aga, Petra, Sveta, Ana, fran and plenty of other good players.
What was special was that she had no bad losses for a long time.
Starting with winning Rogers Cup, until the Stuttgart final, she won 7 of 14 tournaments and her only losses were to Kim, Vera, Sam, Petkovic and Cibulkova.
Thats it
Then she had 2 losses on clay to Goerges, then made the semi of Rome losing to Sharapova, then won Brussels.
So the worst players to beat her over 17 tournaments were Goerges, Cibulkova & Petkovic.
Totally different and higher quality group than who beat her now.
I'm aware of her matches... And the changes that hurt her competitiveness. I can also see the progress being made to address the weaknesses in her game. It's going to be a very long and dull waiting period though if we insist on rehashing the reality of her current games weaknesses until they are addressed? If we don't believe they will be addressed then there really isn't any point regurgitating about what we already know... I'm certainly not up for another 18 months to 3 years of self deprovating masochism lamenting until we eventually see that she has or hasn't evolved to what we thought possible... What's the point? I'd rather follow her away from the fan base then and take the positives alone as and when they come. It's way too depressing and off putting to other fans with a perspective for the long term.

She can do better... Who knew.
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Hey Burisleif...when do you think these improvements/changes to Caro's game will show up on a fairly consistent basis?
I wish I knew... I saw lots of positives in IW. I didn't bother with Miami because it was obviously not her court. Tactical awareness changes will take until the end of her career... The what are now marginal errors, at the rate she is improving, more or less under control by autumn? The key point mentality... When she wins at what ever level she reaches... or never... Historically she has a tendency to run into hurdles, bounce a few times, vanquish, and then go forth and conquer? It's all new ground to her now though... From personal experience when you reach the very top of your field you are left with nothing but a view... At that moment you need to reflect of the journey during the climb to hope to realise just exactly what and how you got there... Quite often what you though brought you success wasn't what brought it at all. It's quite a a vacuous mindfuck for a while.

Final guess is back to normal by AO 2014 after a really poor australian swing and a relatively successful Asian swing, and reaching full potential by 2017, but don't quote me.

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If you celebrate the positives of Dubai and IW, especially when she just said she's motivated again, you have to wonder about a loss to Muguruza, at Caro's best 2012 tournament, and then a loss to Voegele at a tournament Caro had won the last time she played.
We should celebrate the good results (no titles) and ignore the other 9 months? Makes no sense
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If Caro is playing awfully, then the number of tournaments she plays probably won't matter.

At this point I don't expect Caro to "defend" all those points but with an ok level of play I think she can make the round of 16 in one of those premier 5s and the quarters in the other. That would be a total of 335 points.
We agree , your 2nd point was my entire point lol. Why I think Caro needs to consider adding events is for non-mandatories for events played in 2013 Caro's best 2 results are 120 and 60 points (I guess Dubai was commitment Premier?). Caro only has 1 non-mandatory event down for the rest of the year (Eastbourne). Ok she will probably play an international, but if that international is Luxembourg, Caro's only other Premier opportunities are Stanford and Carlsbad.

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Its hard to figure YEC right now. There's 4 or 5 we know will be there. But a lot of players are capable of challenging for the last few spots.
When Caroline said she was motivated and reached Dubai SF & IW F, I thought she had a great shot. I was thinking top 4 was possible.
But these losses to Muguruza & Voegele right before the clay season, make it impossible to know.
Caroline might need 2 or 3 years away from the top. Jankovic lost her #1 more than 4 years ago, now she looks like she's making a top 5 run.
It could be she needs a few more years out of the spotlight before she gets some of her old focus back.
From everything that I've seen, players who are in the top group, then just fall off while healthy, its very very hard to get back in the elite group.
They wouldnt dropoff if they could help it. Its not like Caroline wants to lose to Pervak, Sveta twice, Wang, Muguruza, Voegele. She cant play well enough to win these matches
I think you have slightly exaggerated saying Jankovic is making a top 5 run. She hasn't yet beaten a top 10 player.

With regards to YEC I feel the top 5 are almost certainly in barring catastrophe (injury etc.). Errani is in a very strong position, in 6th position, and her best surface is now about to come, so it's highly likely she will be in. The bottom 2 places feel most up for grabs. Things will be much clearer after Wimbledon, if Caroline is in the top 8 in the race after Wimbleon I will be confident she will make Istanbul.
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Re: Danish Delight - Caroline Wozniacki thread - vol 6

Though I can strongly sympathize with your practical approach to not continuously lamenting Caroline's struggles,Burisleif,you WELL understand that it's unrealistic to expect that from a sports fans' forum.Even though it's unproductive,many sports fans seek to gain some sort of catharsis by rigorously analyzing what has gone wrong,in their eyes.I can easily grasp why that would be annoying to you and other like-minded folks(it's annoying to ME sometimes,too),but you can't honestly expect to change the mentality of posters here by offering them logical alternatives...it's like a ritual for them.I might as well tell a bunch of diehard socialists how they've frittered away BILLIONS in currency on wasteful,poorly-contrived spending programs...and have NOTHING to show for it.It wouldn't matter if I were the best locutor in human history b/c they're so rigidly locked into their mindset that they can't see beyond its limits

On a personal,emotional level,it's easier to get attached to a gal like Caro,who's so eminently likable.What's HARDER to understand is why fans get emotionally attached to sleazy,shallow performers who don't give a shit about their careers OR their fans.....I used to belong to such a fan forum,but THAT was due to blindness that took a long while to cure
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2009? Do you mean 2010? 2009 had some consistency issues in Caro's results but a lot less than now though.

I think Caro was the 2nd best player (at least through 2011 Indian Wells) in Serena's absence with Kim being the best player due to her better slam results (2 slam wins). It becomes murkier through the 2011 clay season with Caro's results dropping some and ending with the bad French Open 3rd round loss to Hantuchova and with Kim only playing the French Open during the clay season and having a very bad 2nd round loss to Rus there.
I may have been a little generous by including 2009 but expectations were lower for her then than they are now. We will have to wait and see how the rest of the year goes but 2013 could end up being worse than 2009.
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This may be the first time that someone argued that Caroline is playing too few events.

The schedule listed on her official site is definitely flexible. The last few years she hasn't played Carlsbad and San Diego but that may change this year as she doesn't have Copenhagen or Bastad scheduled. Personally, I would rather that she goes for quality rather than quantity and puts her focus on Toronto/Cincinnati/Flushing Meadows and uses the "off" weeks to work on her game. Of course that doesn't guarantee that she will have deep runs at those events but this is the schedule I would like to see.
It's Carlsbad and Stanford. San Diego is the nearest big city to Carlsbad kind of how we call the tournament in Key Biscayne Florida "Miami".

Caro typically plays 3 to 4 tournaments in the summer prior to the US Open. I think the majority of the top 10 will probably 3 US Open warmup tournaments (Serena, Vika, and Sharapova will probably play just two).

Caro tends to struggle after long layoffs and starting her summer hard court season in Toronto would mean at least a month off. If she flops in Toronto, then her only shot at match play would be in Cincy.

I kind of like the idea of Caro playing Stanford, having a week off, playing Toronto and Cincy, and then having a week off before the US Open.
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If you celebrate the positives of Dubai and IW, especially when she just said she's motivated again, you have to wonder about a loss to Muguruza, at Caro's best 2012 tournament, and then a loss to Voegele at a tournament Caro had won the last time she played.
We should celebrate the good results (no titles) and ignore the other 9 months? Makes no sense
Do we have Video of the match vs Mugruruza?

Nobody said ignore... We all know what the current weakness in here game, no need to bring out the birch twigs and beat ourselves over what is obvious is there? My intention is to try and enjoy the rebuilding of her game. If I didn't see any signs of progress or believe she cared i would focus more time on other passions. At the end of the day, the victories are now much more sweet again...?
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There was nothing to rebuild. She was at the top. She needed to improve her serve, her volleying, her forehand, but she was very successful with her skillset.
I will never believe they intentionally tore down her game for a 5 year rebuilding project. Confidence in this sport is too difficult to get, nobody tears it down intentionally
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Here's the YEC race standings from #5 to 15. I think the YEC race top 4 (Vika, Serena, Sharapova, and Aga) are too consistent for Caro to chase down even in the event that she got her act together. There are only a couple of players outside of the top 15 that I think could have a shot at the YEC (Stosur and Venus notably).

5 NA LI CHN 2,130.00 7
6 SARA ERRANI ITA 1,830.00 9
7 CAROLINE WOZNIACKI DEN 1,667.00 9
8 SLOANE STEPHENS USA 1,367.00 8
9 ANGELIQUE KERBER GER 1,332.00 8
10 PETRA KVITOVA CZE 1,306.00 8
11 MARIA KIRILENKO RUS 1,281.00 7
12 JELENA JANKOVIC SRB 1,276.00 7
13 MONA BARTHEL GER 1,076.00 8
14 SVETLANA KUZNETSOVA RUS 946.00 7
15 ROBERTA VINCI ITA 941.00 8

Who do you think will do a lot better than Caro on clay and who do you think will do a lot better than Caro on grass?
A lot of them it's hard to judge. From Caro down, the majority of the contenders are in questionable form. Probably the one that is most out of Caro's hands is Kvitova, Kvitova could string it together in a grand slam and win it, she could bomb out early every event, it's impossible to judge. The others are unlikely to post any big titles.

One advantage some of these players have is they don't have the top 10 commitment rules, they can play as many weak internationals as they like (within reason, I know not literally). Eg. Caroline is pretty much forced into Stuttgart with a pretty packed field, some of these players are in Estoril, Strasbourg with soft fields. If these players are involved in the race post-USO there is a lot of super soft internationals around that time, whereas Caro, Kvitova etc. have Tokyo, Beijing as their options against packed fields.
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