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Old Dec 29th, 2012, 05:21 AM   #16
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Absolutely horrible creatures... hope they get what they deserve

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Some perspectives.
Apparently, the issue of rape is a long standing problem in India.
Never easy for the victim as she is not always looked upon with sympathy from society, law enforcement

But this could be a watershed moment that brings about a change.

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Old Dec 29th, 2012, 06:29 AM   #18
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I think they will prosecute with the death penalty as an end result( It's still not a given though). What with the public sentiment and protests going for any less will be a bad call by the Government. Yet the onus on identifying the accused is on the victim! The way rape cases are tried here is shameful and regressive.

Life imprisonment is only 14 years here. So, death penalty seems like a valid result, because this brutal assault qualifies as a rarest of rare case and hence the death penalty.

This I hope is a water shed moment. This happens way too often yet people are immunised to this.
I refuse to believe that the accused have not done this before. How can you have the confidence to pull off this brutal crime when atleast one of them is not criminally inclinded or has done this before? People are demanding an amendment to the law and a database of previous offenders.

Delhi at the moment is a fortress. Everyone from RAF to the CRPF is deployed. This shows the anger will not die down.
Yet, people are milking this case for political mileage. It is like a free for all. Disgusting.

I'm avoiding the telly and twitter since last night when the news of her passing came in. It makes me really depressed.
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Old Dec 29th, 2012, 06:42 AM   #19
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http://greatbong.net/2012/12/21/the-...ok/#more-46130
This seems like a balanced view with going overboard with the anger and frustration.

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Also, there was a incident about two young adults getting killed when they fought men who were trying to eve tease their women.
The trial has not begun yet and a year has passed.
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I mean,no one helped the girl considering they were in a moving vehicle?

This is so sad,I hope these animals will be punished severely
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they will get the death penalty.......it's almost confirmed......our government is good at eye-wash activities......the current ruling party are the most impotent and biggest scum of the country......
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I mean,no one helped the girl considering they were in a moving vehicle?

This is so sad,I hope these animals will be punished severely
There was no one on that bus except for the girl and her male friend and those criminals.
In hindsight I'd say it was pure foolishness of the couple for getting in to a private bus at that time of the night, but that is besides the point.Delhi being the capital of the country, still does not have a proper public bus system. Those accused had taken that bus out for a 'joy' ride.
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http://www.openthemagazine.com/artic...an-in-the-city
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there is something horribly wrong with delhi......i think 20% of the reason for these crimes is because of their longing for westerness......let's face it, they are neither indian nor totally western by culture anymore......now that's a critical situation......mad heads are provoked easily in such situations......
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there is something horribly wrong with delhi......i think 20% of the reason for these crimes is because of their longing for westerness......let's face it, they are neither indian nor totally western by culture anymore......now that's a critical situation......mad heads are provoked easily in such situations......
I'm sorry but I don't agree. Westerness? What is that?
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Rip. India still has a long way to go
This is another ignorance. On the contrary, women are safe in India on *some* parameters. What many people (in India and western folks as well) don't know is many developed countries are not that shining either. Example, let's take the US:

Sexual Violence, Stalking, and Intimate Partner Violence Widespread in the US. Key findings:

=> Nearly 1 in 5 women has been raped at some time in her life.
=> One in 4 women has been a victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in her lifetime.

Read more: http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/20..._violence.html

So what people missing here is *only* applying tough laws (taking the US as case) doesn't help at all. This problem needs multi-level strategy on a short and long term:

1) Education from Govt and NGOs on many levels for either sex
2) Media campaign on safety (minus B$ PR dramas on channels)
3) More child interaction (boys/girls) since school age (co-ed)
4) Teachers take up social education classes on manners/mixing (sexes)
5) Change in attitude - women not be portrayed as sexual objects etc
6) Active role Social institutions in rural area is very important
7) Unbiased and severe Punishment - no leniency for any sex

I don't think leaders in this country understand all those complicated parameters which are crying for a big overhaul. They only indulge in either Vote Bank politics or Sensationalizing/Politicizing the issues. NONE of the parties have the ability to lead this great country.

But one thing is for sure. Capital Punishment is ruled out because The Supreme Court of India ruled ~30% cases filed under IPC 498(a) are fake (I personally know one case of Dr. Ambati from the US. Then US Govt got careful and raised a few advisories against mingling with Indian women! This is another example how some bad people bring bad name to the nation).

So there is every chance for abuse and misuse if they vote for Capital Punishment. Even 10% innocent death rate is NOT acceptable (means 100 out of 1000 executed will be dead for nothing!)
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Forgot to add:

Ask these politicians and many people in India:

How many children died in 2011 lack of medicare/malnutrition etc - 1.6 million!!
How many people died in 2011 on roads - 136,000
How many people died in 2011 by committing suicides - 134,000 (I help couple of farmers since 2007 so I know very much their living conditions)

I wrote many times to Govt. to address these issues, along with Women's issues too. Here most political morons talk/fight only for their religion/caste/parties/states and what not crap. What about those DEAD PEOPLE per year?
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Ask these politicians and many people in India:

How many children died in 2011 lack of medicare/malnutrition etc - 1.6 million!!
How many people died in 2011 on roads - 136,000
How many people died in 2011 by committing suicides - 134,000 (I help couple of farmers since 2007 so I know very much their living conditions)

I wrote many times to Govt. to address these issues, along with Women's issues too. Here most political morons talk/fight only for their religion/caste/parties/states and what not crap. What about those DEAD PEOPLE per year?
agreed......reservations and caste politics are more dangerous than diseases like plague and AIDS......
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Two more points I wanted to add:

8) Role of Parents: This is a big problem here in terms of raising the kids. My parents never taught/raised me with a bias over my younger twin sisters. We all were treated with same rights/choices, within the acceptable boundaries for everyone. This isn't the case with many parents in India because most of them are Male biased. This is the sole reason branching out as another problem - enormous Female Foeticide rates (again India isn't alone, but this biased behavior ISN'T acceptable). So Parents must learn and become more mature. Teach and treat both sexes equally.

9) Alcohol and Drugs: This is a global daemon be it in kids, youth or work force. I've solid data in this regard and fight against its influence in my employees who come from rural and semi-urban areas. Today my work force in my companies are Alcohol addiction free. I've seen lives, families and bright futures of children getting destroyed because of this menace. But Govts. doesn't see this problem. Most politicians, officials have become greedy and blind people.

So crack down on them without giving any second thoughts. We don't need an economy based on their sales (many States here earn loads of Excise and other Taxes - big states reap billions of $ per state per year). This should be top in terms of priority.

Forget Govts., even many people (especially from Urban) don't agree on those points. They think/feel NO NO this issue isn't applicable. But if we revisit all the Rape and Assault cases, more than 2/3rd are caused my Men falling victims to Alcohol and/or Drugs.

There must be stringent laws against this menace, impartial and unbiased. Anyone remembers the latest DUI case against Senator Mike Crapo (Idaho)? He was a good Senator but he fell for Alcohol. He was caught with 0.14 or so a few days ago, and got Jan 4th as Court date.



This is what we want here in India. Crack down and speedy justice.
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