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Old Dec 12th, 2012, 06:32 PM   #61
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

Churches are all Christian though.
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Old Dec 12th, 2012, 06:32 PM   #62
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

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This forum is over 50% gay. And if you're gay and willing to give money to an organization that discriminates against you, then you're not much of a gay to begin with.
I am gay but what's your point? We're not giving money towards those who are hating on us, it's towards people in need.

And btw saying "You're not much of a gay to begin with" just because I support donating money to a charity is pretty ridiculous, not to mention hypocritical against some of the points you're making
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Old Dec 12th, 2012, 06:35 PM   #63
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

The money goes into the hands of people who will not give any support towards gay people in need and in fact demonize us. So we need to be very clear that supporting Salvation Army in fact does not support US. It does not support the 40% of people who are homeless, that identify as LGBTQ, at least in the States. It doesn't help the high amounts of LGBTQ individuals who struggled with drug abuse and are just getting clean and need help. No, they are helping people who they want to help and giving the middle finger to the rest, and that's NOT what a decent charity does.

And I don't take back what I said. Giving money to a blatantly homophobic organization as a gay person, or pro-gay straight person, is incredibly offensive on every single level, and it's traitorous.
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

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aren't you being hypocritical right now?
No. I don't give them money because they're anti-gay. Gay people on here willingly give them money although they're anti-gay. I disagree with that completely, and I think people who know their views and support them anyway are in major error. That's about it. I don't see the hypocrisy at all.
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

Just give to a different organization. That's it. It's not a lot to ask. The entire debate begins and ends there. Giving to SA knowing their positions, to me, is defiance, and giving a middle finger to the gay community.
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But you said that gay people who give them their money are not gay to begin with.
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

I didn't say that. I said that gay people who give to the Salvation Army are bad gays. They aren't much gay to begin with, means they really couldn't care less about the progress of our community. And you can't if you support anti-gay organizations.
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

So gay people must avoid the Salvation Army to keep their gay membership?
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

No. Keep their respect with their gay peers and true straight allies? Yes. If you do something to shows a lack of respect for yourself, then how do you expect respect in return?
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So women should not donate to PETA?
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

Flavia P you valid points but there are still no other posters here agreeing with your opinions...
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Re: The Salvation Army - Help the ones in need - donate in the spirit of Christmas!

And out of the hundreds of non-heterosexual persons, in Virginia to DC to New York, I know, none of them supports Salvation Army that I know of. And a lot of them are very political. They make it a point to support companies that support us and not support those that don't. I don't associate with or really even know many gay people who are apathetic by gay rights. And really, the same with well over half of the straight people I know. So I don't really get it, even. I'm confused by a gay person who supports and defends the Salvation Army.
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So women should not donate to PETA?
They can but PETA is sort of a bullshit organization that is attention seeking, so if a woman doesn't want to be involved with that, then they shouldn't. I've given money to local animal shelters, which is where the money would be best served, instead of PETA. But this analogy is a horrendous one. PETA isn't actively promoting, seeking to, and acting out discrimination against women.
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Flavia P you valid points but there are still no other posters here agreeing with your opinions...
There are only three posters actively posting in this thread right now. And it doesn't matter who agrees or doesn't agree with me, because my position isn't going to change and my position is, as you said, a very valid one.
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