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Old Dec 4th, 2012, 09:22 PM   #31
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Leeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!! !!!

Nonetheless, an interesting bit of tennis history.
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Old Dec 4th, 2012, 09:25 PM   #32
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I wouldn't say so. How can you objectively say that Serena's feat of winning Wimbledon in 2010 or the US Open in 2008 is a greater achievement than completing the Serena Slam with the Australian Open in 2003. Your assertion automatically deprives the feat of winning a slam saving match point of any situational context whatsoever and assumes utter and unabashed dominance is always the most desirable and laudable outcome in sport. It isn't.

Surely any fan of Serena would devote time and analytical capacity to going into the specifics of context, the pressures a player might have faced in a given slam, on a given day, that affected form and performance rather than chiding other fans, getting into disputes over the verbal definitions and worrying about what insecure Serena haters will say.






Your observation and mine were on different plans . That was the point to start disagreement while it's not really the case. I know what you meant and let me clarify my point of views to make it clear.


I didn't compare the AO 05' ( where she had to save mps) win with any of Serena's wins in any year ( where she dominated) or with other Slam champ's victories. Talking about AO's 05 only, I would say against that field of 127 other players, if Serena managed to win against them without dropping a set then that would look more impressive than won that Slam saving mps as she would appeared more dominant.


However, winning a Slam saving mps doesn't mean that victory is not impressive. If comparing to other Slam wins, even the ones that were won in dominant fashion, either by that player or other players. Different field, different strength, different approaches. Serena win in AO' 05 saving mps could be greater than other Slam wins in the 90s even those Slams wins were in perfection, w/o dropping a set. That would be a different story though and we 'll have to take many other aspects into consideration.
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Old Dec 4th, 2012, 09:39 PM   #33
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Though she doesn't share the record, I agree that it's worth pointing out that with 4 majors won without dropping a set she is only behind Martina(6) and Steffi/Chrissy(5) with huge chance to join the the latter as early as next year, especially if her serve and mental toughness are clicking at Wimbledon.





Martina is the one keeping that record. However, it doesn't mean having 6 of those in the 80s is greater than 4 in the 00s. In the 80s, the world was still divided to 2 different worlds, capitalism and socialism. Most of the players from the Soviet system and other communist countries weren't allowed to compete against the Western world, so the strength of the field was seriously depleted comparing to the late 90s to now.


If you look into the situation, many times, only one or 2 players can change the course of the history. As small as a country like Belgium, how many Slams that their players ( Kim and Justine) took when the country " play" in the tennis world. How many Slams the Russians took away from the Western players after they broke out of the communist system, starting from the early 2000? etc...and many other aspects, if you care to look into it.
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Old Dec 4th, 2012, 11:56 PM   #34
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Serena is also my fav, so of course I am also excited when she achieves any remarkable accomplishment.


What I don't do is I don't get obsessed with her all the time and not being overexcited about her like some other fans. As anyone can see, I don't write "complete crap". Even in my post, there is only one sentence in that long post that you can be offended with and whether it's true or not, that's totally arguable and can be judged by others, not just by one or 2 posters.


I was well concerned that you didn't write the article, but it was your words that " Serena noches yet another RECORD!".




The capital word and the exclamation mark showed excitation, so I didn't lie.




The word " RECORD" is wrong. There's no argue about it. Record is a barrier that people want to break and set to make for other competitors to aim at and strive for more. This is not a record, just a stat that happened when puttin Serena's Slams under a microscope. So while this stat shows an admirable trait of hers, it's not a fundamental part of a tennis match, so when players out there about to win their Slams, they can't and won't set themselves to break this " record" as they'd better to avoid getting into the situation. Therefore, your title is wrong and would allow other fan bases to come in and bash Serena as it already happened with Petronius.


Anyway, I am not someone that nitpicks over an usage of a word to start a fight, as this is after all a message board, especially with my fellow fans, so cheer up, . The key thing was the inaccuracy in your title that could cause misunderstanding and that could ( and already did) start unnecessary fight as I mentioned earlier.
You sir/mam are being an asshole.

Let that sink in for a minute.
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Now, the opening of my OP stated...
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The feats and records that this lady captures (and at the twilight of her tennis years) is unfathomable!
Keep going Serena!!!
I repeat...FEATS and records.

Would you PLEASE F'ing READ the post accurately and in it's entirety before posting crap.

Please do not post to me again until you learn to read a post a-c-c-u-r-a-t-e-l-y.

Thank you.

After you do that, please tell me how that isn't a "record" for Serena.



On second thought...don't.
I'm not in the mood to deal with illogical folks today.
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Old Dec 5th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #35
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You sir/mam are being an asshole.

Let that sink in for a minute.
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Now, the opening of my OP stated... I repeat...FEATS and records.

Would you PLEASE F'ing READ the post accurately and in it's entirety before posting crap.

Please do not post to me again until you learn to read a post a-c-c-u-r-a-t-e-l-y.

Thank you.







Calm down, don't be so angry even when you are being exposed. The thread title that you made up yourself is Serena noches yet another RECORD! is being quoted in every post, so you can't twist the facts in your favor. And it was wrong, as I mentioned earlier, so trying to say otherwise prove nothing, just you being desperate and angry and showing all your immatureness, regardless how old you really are.


You can't put one wrong word for the tittle and several different words in a subtitle to represent a static then conveniently chose one of your choice when the inaccuracy was pointed out to save face. Calling people ugly names and making bold words like you are screaming doesn't help either. It's just, like Serena used to say, showing a " lack of a formal education".


Unlike what you might think, words in here are black and white for everyone to see, and there are plenty of people that are able to read.



I thought I can discuss the matter between adults ie not resorting to calling names when being showed mistakes. Ooops, I was wrong.



You can keep all those insults to yourself . And you don't need to be that angry any more. I'm done with you. Take care.
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Re: Serena noches yet another RECORD!

When it comes to Serena and records, feats, accolades, achievements, discussions of dominance, raising the bar, etc...

Why do people suddenly go batshit crazy and lose there minds?

Regardless of what you say dragonflies, it is a record (AND a feat).

I'm gonna be nice and help you out and then leave it at that:

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noun \ˈre-kərd also -ˌkȯrd\
Definition of RECORD

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: the state or fact of being recorded

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: something that records: as
a : something that recalls or relates past events
b : an official document that records the acts of a public body or officer
c : an authentic official copy of a document deposited with a legally designated officer
d : the official copy of the papers used in a law case

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a (1) : a body of known or recorded facts about something or someone especially with reference to a particular sphere of activity that often forms a discernible pattern <a good academic record> <a liberal voting record> (2) : a collection of related items of information (as in a database) treated as a unit
b (1) : an attested top performance (2) : an unsurpassed statistic.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/record
Please let it go.
You are dead wrong on this issue and it's now become embarrassing.

My last post on the issue of "record".

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This is the first time I've seen where Serena has successfully beat out a major top great.
There was a recent thread where several posters emphatically stated that Serena will never surpass players like Margaret Court, Navratilova, Evert, etc...
That is why I found this article "exciting".
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Old Dec 5th, 2012, 12:57 AM   #37
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What's a more difficult and impressive feat? Winning, crushing everybody, Or winning, struggling against everybody? Enough said.
Serena 2010 Wimbledon

Or Serena 2007 Australian Open.

I vote that 2007 AO was farrrrrrr more impressive than 2010. Stop hating.
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Three of her worst losses (Makarova at AO, Razzano at RG, Caro at Miami) have come in quite big tourneys. Her year could've been even better .
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When it comes to Serena and records, feats, accolades, achievements, discussions of dominance, raising the bar, etc...

Why do people suddenly go batshit crazy and lose there minds?

Regardless of what you say dragonflies, it is a record (AND a feat).

I'm gonna be nice and help you out and then leave it at that:

Please let it go.
You are dead wrong on this issue and it's now become embarrassing.

My last post on the issue of "record".

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This is the first time I've seen where Serena has successfully beat out a major top great.
There was a recent thread where several posters emphatically stated that Serena will never surpass players like Margaret Court, Navratilova, Evert, etc...
That is why I found this article "exciting".




It's indeed embarrassing. It happens when people are unable to distinguish the meaning of the words and related to the true event to make senses.


Based on the dictionary's definition that you provided, record is a stats that represents " top performance", " unable to surpass". Giving the AO's 03 and 05, the USO 12's fields, against that certain 21 players that she had to face, what would be a top performance : beating them w/o dropping a set, or struggling to save mps to the win? Since the later doesn't match up well with the definition, it would not be a record. You mistaken the record which is a " desirable" stats with a "record" which is not a " desirable" stats.





The " records" in any sports is like the top performances, the top numbers that everyone strikes for ie, record of the lowest seconds a sprinter has to run to finish a 100m distance, 200m butterfly swimming that everyone who participate will go through to aim for that.


This "record" of Serena's, while showing her extraordinary mental toughness, wasn't applied for every players as they wouldn't want to let themselves into those extreme situations then dig them out of the holes. Therefore it's unlikely anyone will break " this record". Even Serena didn't get to make this "record" by choice. She didn't want to be mps down, but just happened to be in those circumstances and was able to get out.


Since the " record" doesn't apply to all the participants or seeing as a " top performance" as stated in that definition, it would not considered " a record" for it own sake. It's rather be a stats, albeit a remarkable stats, and while it shows Serena's extreme mental toughness, let's not pretend that is some " record" that other players are trying to break when they are competing in Grand Slams.
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Serena 2010 Wimbledon

Or Serena 2007 Australian Open.

I vote that 2007 AO was farrrrrrr more impressive than 2010. Stop hating.
Good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that it is more difficult to win a slam without losing a set than winning one while dropping a few on the way.

And the only really impressive match from Serena in 07 was the final.
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Good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that it is more difficult to win a slam without losing a set than winning one while dropping a few on the way.

And the only really impressive match from Serena in 07 was the final.
You continue to say things as if it is fact (which it isn't).

You also continue to interchange the words "difficult" and "more impressive".

It was more difficult for Serena to win 2007 Australian Open than it was for her to win Wimbledon 2010 and Olympic Gold in singles.
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You continue to say things as if it is fact (which it isn't).

You also continue to interchange the words "difficult" and "more impressive".

It was more difficult for Serena to win 2007 Australian Open than it was for her to win Wimbledon 2010 and Olympic Gold in singles.
Daniel can you please stop kidding? As a general statement, what is a more impressive/difficult task Winning a slam without dropping a set or winning one, dropping some sets on the way?
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