Players playing at their peak and still losing the match - Page 15 - TennisForum.com
TennisForum.com   Wagerline.com MensTennisForums.com TennisUniverse.com
TennisForum.com is the premier Women's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!
Reply

Old Dec 15th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #211
country flag Meelis
Team WTAworld
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 68,494
Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute Meelis has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Quote:
Originally Posted by young_gunner913 View Post
I could've sworn she had a positive ratio W/UE.
She had. 81 winners and 65 UE vs. 29 winners and 13 UE.
Meelis is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old Dec 15th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #212
country flag J4m3ka
Senior Member
 
J4m3ka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,039
J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Dsanders is really trying too hard to make them Venus' - Belgian USO matches happen The match vs Justine was indeed great, the rest were mediocre at best from Venus. Even the 05 QF was a mess but looks good in highlight reels (although admittedly the play was great in parts).

All of the 08 YEC matches, majority of 09 YEC matches, 08 USO vs Aga, Stosur, Serena, 09 Dubai vs Serena, '10 Dubai vs Azarenka are ALL better performances from Venus than any of USO QF 05, 09, SF '10. And that's just from the top of my head.

Please stop.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Agassi
"But every sport improves dramatically every three-to-five years, and I think we've see that in the sport of tennis. These guys just keep getting better and better. There's no comparison between what guys are doing now to 10 years ago"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Agassi
"Listen, I could sit here and tell you that I'm the best of the best, but unfortunately, the best get better. That's just how it is. Speed, athleticism, change in technology, and why people don't come to the net anymore because of the angles that are created. It's a whole different set of circumstances out there"

Last edited by J4m3ka : Dec 15th, 2012 at 06:22 PM.
J4m3ka is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 15th, 2012, 06:16 PM   #213
country flag Start da Game
Senior Member
 
Start da Game's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: pirru's heart
Posts: 3,769
Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute Start da Game has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

i am quite sure chris evert played a bunch of matches at her peak and lost to navratilova......
__________________
tsvetana pironkova's no.1 lover

enlighten yourself...
Start da Game is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 15th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #214
country flag dsanders06
-PREMIUM MEMBER-
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 15,595
dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Quote:
Originally Posted by J4m3ka View Post
Dsanders is really trying too hard to make them Venus' - Belgian USO matches happen The match vs Justine was indeed great, the rest were mediocre at best from Venus. Even the 05 QF was a mess but looks good in highlight reels (although admittedly the play was great in parts).

All of the 08 YEC matches, majority of 09 YEC matches, 08 USO vs Aga, Stosur, Serena, 09 Dubai vs Serena, '10 Dubai vs Azarenka are ALL better performances from Venus than any of USO QF 05, 09, SF '10. And that's just from the top of my head.

Please stop.
dsanders06 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 15th, 2012, 08:42 PM   #215
country flag MrProdigy555
-LIFETIME MEMBER-
 
MrProdigy555's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,656
MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute MrProdigy555 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Quote:
Originally Posted by J4m3ka View Post
Dsanders is really trying too hard to make them Venus' - Belgian USO matches happen The match vs Justine was indeed great, the rest were mediocre at best from Venus. Even the 05 QF was a mess but looks good in highlight reels (although admittedly the play was great in parts).

All of the 08 YEC matches, majority of 09 YEC matches, 08 USO vs Aga, Stosur, Serena, 09 Dubai vs Serena, '10 Dubai vs Azarenka are ALL better performances from Venus than any of USO QF 05, 09, SF '10. And that's just from the top of my head.

Please stop.
I see not a single lie.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by .Ivan. View Post
I am THE original asshole! You mad??

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrProdigy555 View Post
Don't make me come to T&T to huff and puff and blow your hut down, girl.
Fuck y'all
MrProdigy555 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 15th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #216
country flag Tennisgucker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 113
Tennisgucker has disabled reputation
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

I'm astonished. This thread is two weeks old and has 15 pages and still nobody has mentioned this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJDMto0CSVQ
Tennisgucker is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 15th, 2012, 10:55 PM   #217
country flag Tennisgucker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 113
Tennisgucker has disabled reputation
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Link above doesn't work. Second attempt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJDMto0CSVQ
Tennisgucker is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 16th, 2012, 01:02 AM   #218
country flag caboche
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 37
caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light caboche is a glorious beacon of light
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Quote:
Originally Posted by J4m3ka View Post
Dsanders is really trying too hard to make them Venus' - Belgian USO matches happen The match vs Justine was indeed great, the rest were mediocre at best from Venus. Even the 05 QF was a mess but looks good in highlight reels (although admittedly the play was great in parts).

All of the 08 YEC matches, majority of 09 YEC matches, 08 USO vs Aga, Stosur, Serena, 09 Dubai vs Serena, '10 Dubai vs Azarenka are ALL better performances from Venus than any of USO QF 05, 09, SF '10. And that's just from the top of my head.

Please stop.

Didn't Venus reach the final with only one round robin win ? I remember the 2009 YEC as a horrible tournament. Serena only had to show up to win it, the rest of the field was playing like horseshit.
caboche is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 16th, 2012, 01:14 AM   #219
country flag Sammo
Senior Member
 
Sammo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Self-made golden cage
Posts: 26,680
Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute Sammo has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Errani vs Venus Cincinnati 2012

Errani vs Serena US Open 2012

It's funny because it's true



__________________
MIRJANA "MLB Da MVP" LUCIC-BARONI | SAM STOSUR ☯ | MARTINA HINGIS ♚ | DANIELA HANTUCHOVA ✯ | OLGA PUCHKOVA ❤ | MADISON KEYS ☢
| MARTINA NAVRATILOVA (because fuck you that's why)

R.I.P. Bally
Sammo is online now View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 16th, 2012, 01:20 AM   #220
country flag J4m3ka
Senior Member
 
J4m3ka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,039
J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Quote:
Originally Posted by caboche View Post
Didn't Venus reach the final with only one round robin win ? I remember the 2009 YEC as a horrible tournament. Serena only had to show up to win it, the rest of the field was playing like horseshit.
Yeah - the tournament itself ended up being a bit of a flop, but the RR match against Serena and RR match against Kuznetsova were Venus at a much higher level than the 09 USO QF / 10 SF.


__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Agassi
"But every sport improves dramatically every three-to-five years, and I think we've see that in the sport of tennis. These guys just keep getting better and better. There's no comparison between what guys are doing now to 10 years ago"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Agassi
"Listen, I could sit here and tell you that I'm the best of the best, but unfortunately, the best get better. That's just how it is. Speed, athleticism, change in technology, and why people don't come to the net anymore because of the angles that are created. It's a whole different set of circumstances out there"
J4m3ka is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 16th, 2012, 01:30 AM   #221
country flag dsanders06
-PREMIUM MEMBER-
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 15,595
dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Quote:
Originally Posted by J4m3ka View Post
Yeah - the tournament itself ended up being a bit of a flop, but the RR match against Serena and RR match against Kuznetsova were Venus at a much higher level than the 09 USO QF / 10 SF.


Take your advice and "please stop". Or, better yet, look up the stats for those horrendous quality YEC09 matches and compare them to the stats of the USO05 QF, so you can realise your heinous error of even suggesting they're comparable
dsanders06 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 16th, 2012, 01:52 AM   #222
country flag J4m3ka
Senior Member
 
J4m3ka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,039
J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future J4m3ka has a brilliant future
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Quote:
Originally Posted by dsanders06 View Post
Take your advice and "please stop". Or, better yet, look up the stats for those horrendous quality YEC09 matches and compare them to the stats of the USO05 QF, so you can realise your heinous error of even suggesting they're comparable
Horrendous quality, yet the uploader had to state this in the video description: "It was a great match, I had to cut off all the aces so that the video could be shorter than 15 mins"

Anyway, the videos speak volumes, and speak far more than dsander's delusional revisionist history will ever do. Venus moves like a corpse in the 09/10 USO matches in comparison to these, and her shots are no where near as penetrating and effective. Her energetic movement around the ball is practically non-existent in the '10 SF

PS: I said that the 05 QF was great in patches

Anyway, to hopefully kill this myth once and for all, here are even more post 03 HC matches in which Venus plays better than the supposed holy grail that is USO 09 QF:



















__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Agassi
"But every sport improves dramatically every three-to-five years, and I think we've see that in the sport of tennis. These guys just keep getting better and better. There's no comparison between what guys are doing now to 10 years ago"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Agassi
"Listen, I could sit here and tell you that I'm the best of the best, but unfortunately, the best get better. That's just how it is. Speed, athleticism, change in technology, and why people don't come to the net anymore because of the angles that are created. It's a whole different set of circumstances out there"
J4m3ka is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 16th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #223
country flag dsanders06
-PREMIUM MEMBER-
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 15,595
dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute dsanders06 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Quote:
Originally Posted by J4m3ka View Post
Horrendous quality, yet the uploader had to state this in the video description: "It was a great match, I had to cut off all the aces so that the video could be shorter than 15 mins"

Anyway, the videos speak volumes, and speak far more than dsander's delusional revisionist history will ever do. Venus moves like a corpse in the 09/10 USO matches in comparison to these, and her shots are no where near as penetrating and effective. Her energetic movement around the ball is practically non-existent in the '10 SF

PS: I said that the 05 QF was great in patches

Anyway, to hopefully kill this myth once and for all, here are even more post 03 HC matches in which Venus plays better than the supposed holy grail that is USO 09 QF:



















What's the USO09 QF? That's why I assumed you meant the USO 05, because they didn't play in the QFs in '09.

If you mean the USO09 4R, then I explicitly said in a previous post that I thought that was a bad match and that I wasn't counting that as one of Venus's 3 best post-03 hardcourt matches Talk about a strawman argument.
dsanders06 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 16th, 2012, 01:56 AM   #224
country flag JarkaFish
Multiform
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,487
JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future JarkaFish has a brilliant future
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

A player can never beat the Williams Sisters, they and their fans always have an excuse, it's either they didn't play well or the player that beat them made "lucky shots".

JarkaFish is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 16th, 2012, 02:01 AM   #225
country flag JCTennisFan
Senior Member
 
JCTennisFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,304
JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute JCTennisFan has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Players playing at their peak and still losing the match

Holy video clip explosion!
JCTennisFan is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios