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Queen Maria, obviously. 110 68.32%
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Old Dec 12th, 2012, 12:12 AM   #181
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Re: PEAK Maria vs PEAK Vika

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Guesswork. Tell me, what about Azarenka's tennis could possibly get better than it did this year?

You're talking about one who won one slam this year (just like Azarenka), is only #2 behind Azarenka and only had a 2% less in overall winning percentage for the year.

You acknowledge that Maria's not at her peak, and she is still only marginally behind peak Azarenka. In some way you're actually complimenting Maria there .
No he didn't say that, he thinks Vika is not peak right now, peak still to come (Serve can obviously be improved to mention one thing). No problem for me complimenting Maria, she did well this year. However it's doubtful if she will ever reach peak again, if not she'll run into multiple problems from here on. Apart from Serena, Vika HC will be too much if she doesn't reach that elusive peak. Other players are improving too.
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Old Dec 12th, 2012, 12:55 AM   #182
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No he didn't say that, he thinks Vika is not peak right now, peak still to come (Serve can obviously be improved to mention one thing). No problem for me complimenting Maria, she did well this year. However it's doubtful if she will ever reach peak again, if not she'll run into multiple problems from here on. Apart from Serena, Vika HC will be too much if she doesn't reach that elusive peak. Other players are improving too.
When I said 'peak Azarenka' there I meant we can only go on the present and at the moment 2012 is peak Azarenka
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Re: PEAK Maria vs PEAK Vika

Vika has her number now but would never beat 2004-2006 Maria that had a teenage body and moved well despite her height and served consistently well, hitting aces and 2nd serve winners and played fearlessly.

As a Maria fan, I am happy to see her in the Top 3 but really she is still not like this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=664HFmSgE3c

I've even showed a match where she loses to SW - but plays so well.
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Old Dec 12th, 2012, 07:22 AM   #184
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Maria's the better player right now..but on grass? I think Petra vs Masha h2h, Petra wins..Maria's posted some consistent results, but I think everybody is in agreement that Petra on grass is more fearsome than Masha.
You mean their H2H on grass? Where they played only 1 time? Where Petra played at a level she never reached again? Yes I mean you're right if Petra would ever play like that again and Maria still be playing out of confidence, Petra may be able to beat her again. That's a lot of "if"s tho. If we go solely by both players stats and even overall H2H Maria is the better player, even on grass. Maria has loss 3 sets in 5 matches (not counting the retirement) against Petra...I don't see much of a debate here. The only thing that makes you think that Petra has a chance is the one time they played on grass Petra won, but you need to understand that one tournament doesn't make the general habit of a player, it was also the only win over Maria that Petra has.
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Old Dec 12th, 2012, 07:34 AM   #185
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You mean their H2H on grass? Where they played only 1 time? Where Petra played at a level she never reached again? Yes I mean you're right if Petra would ever play like that again and Maria still be playing out of confidence, Petra may be able to beat her again. That's a lot of "if"s tho. If we go solely by both players stats and even overall H2H Maria is the better player, even on grass. Maria has loss 3 sets in 5 matches (not counting the retirement) against Petra...I don't see much of a debate here. The only thing that makes you think that Petra has a chance is the one time they played on grass Petra won, but you need to understand that one tournament doesn't make the general habit of a player, it was also the only win over Maria that Petra has.
How so, she didn't reach it? She gave Serena a better match than Maria did this year and it can be argued that it is MARIA that didn't reach the level she reached last year.yeah she reached the Olympics finals, but who did she beat, that she wasn't supposed to beat?

On grass, right now..Petra's more scary ( because if she catches fire, it's goodnight..) than Maria, because Maria is what she is..
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How so, she didn't reach it? She gave Serena a better match than Maria did this year and it can be argued that it is MARIA that didn't reach the level she reached last year.yeah she reached the Olympics finals, but who did she beat, that she wasn't supposed to beat?
It doesn't mean anything. Maria beat Kirilenko 2 and 3 while Kirilenko defeated Kvitova please
And Lisicki had beaten Maria just 2 weeks before OG so, and we saw that it wasn't that easy since Lisicki was really playing well and very confident.

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On grass, right now..Petra's more scary ( because if she catches fire, it's goodnight..) than Maria, because Maria is what she is..
No she isn't, not when you see her losing to the likes of Kirilenko.
It's way too easy to use "if" and it can work with every player not only Kvitova you know.
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Old Dec 12th, 2012, 08:03 AM   #187
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Re: PEAK Maria vs PEAK Vika

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It doesn't mean anything. Maria beat Kirilenko 2 and 3 while Kirilenko defeated Kvitova please
And Lisicki had beaten Maria just 2 weeks before OG so, and we saw that it wasn't that easy since Lisicki was really playing well and very confident.



No she isn't, not when you see her losing to the likes of Kirilenko.
Maria lost to Kirilenko sometime at the Oz open too, no? As defending champ, no less.
Stuff like that happen..but I guess we'll see how it goes. Petra needs to get her act together, otherwise..
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Maria lost to Kirilenko sometime at the Oz open too, no? As defending champ, no less.
Stuff like that happen..but I guess we'll see how it goes. Petra needs to get her act together, otherwise..
Maria was the defending champ of the '09 AO, which she didn't play. Not that it's important to the point you were making though
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Maria lost to Kirilenko sometime at the Oz open too, no? As defending champ, no less.
So what ? This has nothing to do with it we're not talking about Maria's level back in 2010 but right now btw I'm pretty sure that she wasn't THE defending champ, your fave was.

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Stuff like that happen..but I guess we'll see how it goes. Petra needs to get her act together, otherwise..
Yeah stuff like this happen but when you're trying to put Kvitova's level very high when we know that she lost to Kirilenko on grass, that's not gonna work.
Beside I think we're all aware that Lisicki is a bigger threat on grass than Kirilenko will ever be.
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So what ? This has nothing to do with it we're not talking about Maria's level back in 2010 but right now btw I'm pretty sure that she wasn't THE defending champ, your fave was.
No, just saying..oh was it in '10?! Okay..point still stands.

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Yeah stuff like this happen but when you're trying to put Kvitova's level very high when we know that she lost to Kirilenko on grass, that's not gonna work.
Beside I think we're all aware that Lisicki is a bigger threat on grass than Kirilenko will ever be.
And the Petra who lost to Kirilenko is peak Petra?! Maria's the only one whose losses when she's slumping shouldn't held against?! Ah the Mashatards.

Lisicki might be a greater threat than Kirilenko for MASHA..it's about match-ups.
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Lisicki might be a greater threat than Kirilenko for MASHA..it's about match-ups.
Which cancels the point you were trying to make earlier when you said that Kvitova gave a tougher match to Serena than Maria did.
Like you said it's all about match-up and so far Maria ain't an easy one for Kvitova, already 0-3 down this season and 1-4 overall.
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Which cancels the point you were trying to make earlier when you said that Kvitova gave a tougher match to Serena than Maria did.
Like you said it's all about match-up and so far Maria ain't an easy one for Kvitova, already 0-3 down this season and 1-4 overall.
Yep...good wins, oz open and rg. Now onto the grass.
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Yep...good wins, oz open and rg. Now onto the grass.
are you still clinging onto that fluke Wimby win for KvittyGOAT? Bish please, Maria owns that erratic ass whenever she plays at least decent tennis. The likes of Kirilenko and Radwanska have much better chances of beating Maria than this slow ballbasher with erratic game...Maria NEVER had trouble with the likes of Kvitty in her career
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are you still clinging onto that fluke Wimby win for KvittyGOAT? Bish please, Maria owns that erratic ass whenever she plays at least decent tennis. The likes of Kirilenko and Radwanska have much better chances of beating Maria than this slow ballbasher with erratic game...Maria NEVER had trouble with the likes of Kvitty in her career
Well, they both have ONE Wimbledon..so I don't see how one would be fluke and the other wouldn't?!
Not saying Petra's the better player, but that on particular surface GRASS, she might be better..
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Well, they both have ONE Wimbledon..so I don't see how one would be fluke and the other wouldn't?!
Not saying Petra's the better player, but that on particular surface GRASS, she might be better..
this is just wrong !!
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