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Old Mar 11th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #2011
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Re: ...HardCourt II

Hmmm ... I wonder which nickname we should hold responsible for this loss?

I'm happy for Casey and KDK, although I'm a little bit worried because it seems lately that Sam often loses her doubles and singles matches at the same stage of the tournament. Hopefully not a bad sign for Monday

Peng and Sam up second on Stadium 3 - anyone know if there's a stream from there?
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Old Mar 11th, 2013, 03:04 AM   #2012
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Re: ...HardCourt II

Doubtful there will be. I mean there is none for the Petra match going on right now.
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Sounds like it was a really weird match, I mean getting to 1-6 0-4 before winning 6 games in a row, you've got to wonder wtf they had been doing up till then. Pity they couldn't have kicked on and won the super tb, that would have been a famous victory. But if they had to suffer their first ever loss at IW, I'm glad it was to Casey and KDK.

Some of the tweets are pretty funny, in a laughing through a toothache kind of way.

Hard to say what this means for Sam's singles, if anything. Sam can maybe afford to go walkabout for a little while against Peng, but not for too long, and if she gets past her she certainly will need to be on the ball if she wants to win any further matches.

But as we all know, trying to predict anything about Sam's next match from how she played in her previous match is about as effective as reading tea-leaves. Don't think the doubles loss means she's going to lose in singles, but who knows?
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Re: ...HardCourt II

^Yeah they kinda had the momentum going into the tb but once they lost 2 points in a row on their serve, they never really recovered unfortunately. Lisa really has to get her serve going because 3 DF in one game esp in new scoring system is just suicide - and this is not the first time it has happened to her Just puts them in a lot more pressure then they ought to be in.

Dont think they will be too upset in the end with the result so I doubt it will affect Sam too negatively. It would have been a different scenario if they ended up losing 6-1 6-0 which was on the cards

If we were to read patterns, Sam lost both her doubles match at Doha/Dubai after her losses in singles - this ought to break the pattern Maybe having to focus in her singles only is a good thing for her now. It would be nice to see Sam maintain her level of play from the Maddy match going into today's match - nice for some consistency from her for a change. I have learnt to not expect Sam to win even the matches she ought to be winning and just hope for the best. We just never now which Sam will show up and for some reason, even the players that are slumping tend to play like GOATs vs Sam - if Sam can start well and not encourage GOATness from Peng today that would be ideal.

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Re: ...HardCourt II

It'll be great if there's a stream, especially since the match is scheduled at a pretty civilized time for me (about 9pm).

Despite Sam's good record against Peng I'm a bit more nervous about this match than I was for her match against Madison. I think Sam has learned to use her experience to handle the flashy younger players pretty well. She tends to get out-thought rather than outplayed these days, and it's generally the more experienced players who are able to find a way to make Sam play badly. Even players who she has a good record against have often managed to do that lately, which is why I don't feel fully consoled by the 4-0 H2H. Still, I think Sam should pull through.
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Re: ...HardCourt II

I think Peng is coming back from a bit of an injury lay off, so you'd think that, coupled with Sam's good H2H, should be enough to see her through.

But yeah, I agree with everything said above. Unfortunately opponents being under a certain height doesn't seem to offer the same kind of advantage it once used to, given that, as stromatolite said, she's getting outmanoeuvred by her more wily opponents at the moment. And we never know which Sam will turn up, even given how solid and composed she was against Keys
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Re: ...HardCourt II

^^Yeah - she generally struggles against the crafty Italian type players also I think - the type of players that can do more to the ball and put Sammy off balance like Errani/Vinci/Penneta/Franny. Her losses against Arvisson & Zheng were in Australia so......granted Sam was not at her best against Vinci in Dubai but Vinci played one of the best matches I have seen - her execution was perfect against Sammy that day.

Not sure how Peng plays though I haven't really paid attention to her matches so not sure if Peng has the weapons to unsettle Sam if Sam doesnt unsettle herself that is!

But their previous scorelines were pretty one sided (all on clay), the only one going 3 was on hard courts though - so do not what to expect today. So hopefully she falls into "do not like Sam's spinny ball" camp. Jo Durie tweeted saying that this year's court is slower and bouncier that last year - Sam's kicker really did seem to leap up the court during her match against Keys. Hopefully it will be the same against Peng. Peng is listed at 5ft 8in so not too tall i don't think?

Back to the doubles - apparently someone said yesterday that Lisa couldn't serve and Sam couldn't volley - i shouldn't be laughing but all I could think about when I read that was Dumb and Dumber and Sam's net masterclass agst Cornet at the Kremlin Cup last year
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Re: ...HardCourt II

What's with Sam /every partner she has always has an impressive win over a seed then loses next round this keeps happening
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Old Mar 11th, 2013, 11:33 AM   #2019
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Re: ...HardCourt II

^From what I’ve seen of her Peng hits really flat and likes to play at a pretty quick pace and take time away from her opponents when she can. If so the slower pace of the courts and maybe even more the high bounce would definitely play into Sam’s hands.

The absence of crafty Italians in Sam’s section of the draw is a hopeful sign, but sometimes Sam is fully capable of confusing herself without any help from her opponent

I think Sam’s volleying falls into much the same category as her BH: it can be really good at times, but it can also be really really bad
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^From what Iíve seen of her Peng hits really flat and likes to play at a pretty quick pace and take time away from her opponents when she can. If so the slower pace of the courts and maybe even more the high bounce would definitely play into Samís hands.

The absence of crafty Italians in Samís section of the draw is a hopeful sign, but sometimes Sam is fully capable of confusing herself without any help from her opponent

I think Samís volleying falls into much the same category as her BH: it can be really good at times, but it can also be really really bad
Sounds like maybe a less feisty version of Zheng! - Sam seemed to have a lot closer matches with Zheng in their H2Hs compared to Peng if that means anything at all.

Yeah Sam's volleys often illicit a OMG from you either in a good or bad way Someone was saying that Sam lost her touch with volleys as she is more bulky now that she was when she was a doubles specialist. Maybe there is some truth to this.
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I think the time has come for the match now. B.
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Old Mar 11th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #2022
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Yes, but no stream it seems
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no stream
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This sucks
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It does suck Several eyes and ears on twitter at her match so hopefully we have some idea how she is playing along the way.
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