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Seles 8 32.00%
King 5 20.00%
Wills Moody 3 12.00%
Connolly 7 28.00%
Lenglen 2 8.00%
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Old Nov 16th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #1
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Who drops out of top 10 all time when new member of top 10 all time emergs

Right now the general consensus is the top 5 women players of all time in some order are Graf, Serena, Navratilova, Court, and Evert (actually probably that exact order, with the possability of switching Graf and Serena especialy in the future, and possability of switching Court and Evert). The bottom 5 of the top 10 in no particular order are generally regarded as Wills Moody, Lenglen, Connolly, Seles, and King. When someone emerges who wins double digit slams and has to be included as a top 10 player all time, or for those supporters or strong believers of Henin or Venus who feel they belong in the top 10 all time above one of those, who will be the next to drop out of the unoffical top 10 all time to make room for the next inclusion. My pick would have to be Seles or King. I cant think who else it might be. Wills has too much in the way of numbers, Lenglen has too much in the way of domination, and Connolly has too much in the way of teenage complete dominance and peak level play for her time.
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I voted King. I suspect most will vote Seles, but King is the only one in the top 10 who doesnt even have a slight GOAT claim of any kind, even though she is undisputable an all time great who could even be argued as high as 5th or 6th over some of those who arguably do have outside GOAT arguments, depending on ones critiera, and even though King is probably the most important person in tennis history counting all contributions, on and off court altogether. Atleast Seles fanatics can argue the stabbing and a multitude of what ifs to desperately try and spin her as the possible GOAT (with blusters of laughter from 95% of people but they can still try), while King as great a player as she is has nothing as far as a THE GOAT argument of any kind.
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Old Nov 16th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #3
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Right now the general consensus is the top 5 women players of all time in some order are Graf, Serena, Navratilova, Court, and Evert (actually probably that exact order, with the possability of switching Graf and Serena especialy in the future, and possability of switching Court and Evert). The bottom 5 of the top 10 in no particular order are generally regarded as Wills Moody, Lenglen, Connolly, Seles, and King. When someone emerges who wins double digit slams and has to be included as a top 10 player all time, or for those supporters or strong believers of Henin or Venus who feel they belong in the top 10 all time above one of those, who will be the next to drop out of the unoffical top 10 all time to make room for the next inclusion. My pick would have to be Seles or King. I cant think who else it might be. Wills has too much in the way of numbers, Lenglen has too much in the way of domination, and Connolly has too much in the way of teenage complete dominance and peak level play for her time.
Then the general consensus is wrong, probably because people have seen the 5 you name on TV. Until someone wins 10 slams in a row, Connolly is a genuine GOAT contender.
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Old Nov 16th, 2012, 09:11 PM   #4
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TennisChannel ranking

1)Steffi Graf
2)Martina Navratilova
3)Margaret Court
4)Chris Evert
5)Billie Jean King
6)Serena Williams (after +2 Slams she is definitely ahead of BJK)
7)Monica Seles
8)Venus Williams
9)Suzanne Lenglen
10)Justine Henin

Tennischannel is underrating results from the remote past because of the weak competition in the tour that time . But for sure player with 9 Slams and CGS will surpass Seles in any possible ranking
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Old Nov 16th, 2012, 09:45 PM   #5
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TennisChannel ranking

1)Steffi Graf
2)Martina Navratilova
3)Margaret Court
4)Chris Evert
5)Billie Jean King
6)Serena Williams (after +2 Slams she is definitely ahead of BJK)
7)Monica Seles
8)Venus Williams
9)Suzanne Lenglen
10)Justine Henin

Tennischannel is underrating results from the remote past because of the weak competition in the tour that time . But for sure player with 9 Slams and CGS will surpass Seles in any possible ranking
These rankings are laughable. Lenglen makes it but 19 slam winner Wills Moody doesn't? And Evert, King, Seles, V Williams, Lenglen and Henin but not Connolly? Utter nonsense. Lenglen probably made it ahead of Connolly and Wills because she's got a court named after her, hence people are more familiar with the name. The others only because people saw them play on TV. Rankings like these are more about how well players are known today than how good they were as players.

I am old enough to remember when Evert and Navratilova were in their prime and most commentators then still regarded Connolly as incomparible. Of course those commentators had actually seen Little Mo play. Here's what tennis writer and Hall of Famer Lance Tingay wrote (and he saw all of them up to and including Graf):

"Whenever a great player comes along you have to ask, 'Could she have beaten Maureen?' In every case the answer is, I think not."

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Old Nov 16th, 2012, 10:19 PM   #7
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These rankings are laughable. Lenglen makes it but 19 slam winner Wills Moody doesn't? And Evert, King, Seles, V Williams, Lenglen and Henin but not Connolly? Utter nonsense. Lenglen probably made it ahead of Connolly and Wills because she's got a court named after her, hence people are more familiar with the name. The others only because people saw them play on TV. Rankings like these are more about how well players are known today than how good they were as players.

I am old enough to remember when Evert and Navratilova were in their prime and most commentators then still regarded Connolly as incomparible. Of course those commentators had actually seen Little Mo play. Here's what tennis writer and Hall of Famer Lance Tingay wrote (and he saw all of them up to and including Graf):

"Whenever a great player comes along you have to ask, 'Could she have beaten Maureen?' In every case the answer is, I think not."
General Public and tennis journalists are still aware of Lenglen and not aware of Connoly.... That's the case

The main problem is that all ratings can be called laughable, because all of them are too subjective, including yours and any of mine and any of Steve Flink....

The only way to make it a bit more look objective is to count Majors,also taking into consideration Grand Slams and Career Grand Slams, because it's what was constant since 1922 ( it became really international a bit later though)
Players even during the time when Australian Open was with a weak draw sill were aware of it's Slam status,and who wanted to complete their career with all Majors travelled accross the ocean . Who didn't - their fault .
So
1)Court
2)Graf
3)Wills Moody
4)Navratilova
5)Evert
6)Serena Williams
7)BJK
8)Connoly
9)Seles
10)Lenglen
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General Public and tennis journalists are still aware of Lenglen and not aware of Connoly.... That's the case

The main problem is that all ratings can be called laughable, because all of them are too subjective, including yours and any of mine and any of Steve Flink....

The only way to make it a bit more look objective is to count Majors,also taking into consideration Grand Slams and Career Grand Slams, because it's what was constant since 1922 ( it became really international a bit later though)
Players even during the time when Australian Open was with a weak draw sill were aware of it's Slam status,and who wanted to complete their career with all Majors travelled accross the ocean . Who didn't - their fault .
So
1)Court
2)Graf
3)Wills Moody
4)Navratilova
5)Evert
6)Serena Williams
7)BJK
8)Connoly
9)Seles
10)Lenglen
Fair point. It's worth taking into consideration however that, almost certainly, the only thing that stopped Little Mo from being at the top of that list, probably by a sizable margin, was having her leg crushed under a horse at the age of 19.

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Re: Who drops out of top 10 all time when new member of top 10 all time emergs

I agree Connolly would be the hands down runaway GOAT without her accident, but such is tragic reality, and her life in more than one way is a tragic reality with her early passing. If we are too limit the what ifs to give Seles, which was an even worse incident, then unfortunately we cant give those for Connolly either. I still rate Connolly over Seles since she was more dominant than Seles at the same ages vs a deeper field, and both are a similar what if case.
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General Public and tennis journalists are still aware of Lenglen and not aware of Connoly.... That's the case

The main problem is that all ratings can be called laughable, because all of them are too subjective, including yours and any of mine and any of Steve Flink....

The only way to make it a bit more look objective is to count Majors,also taking into consideration Grand Slams and Career Grand Slams, because it's what was constant since 1922 ( it became really international a bit later though)
Players even during the time when Australian Open was with a weak draw sill were aware of it's Slam status,and who wanted to complete their career with all Majors travelled accross the ocean . Who didn't - their fault .
So
1)Court
2)Graf
3)Wills Moody
4)Navratilova
5)Evert
6)Serena Williams
7)BJK
8)Connoly
9)Seles
10)Lenglen
-Well, I know that everyone on TF gets an orgasm whenever they hear the word slam and just shrug their shoulders at whatever else someone might have done during their careers, but I don't think that's entirely fair. It's an impossible question to answer anyway since there are too many variables and ifs and buts involved.

-One of the biggest mistakes people make is to value a players' achievements based on what is considered the most important today as opposed to what was considered the most important at the time those players were competing. For example - today each of the four majors has more or less the same prestige. But before the 1980's there was a clear ranking order between them. Wimbledon came first, closely followed by the USO. Than there was a gap and the FO came in third. Than there was an another gap between the FO and the AO. In the 1970's many players considered the YEC the third most prestigious title out there.

-That makes it hard to assess the value of the slam wins of the oldies as compared to those of contemporary and more recent players. There are many oldies who never bothered to play the AO and missed out on some FO's that otherwise they might have won. In other words, players from the 1980's onwards had four attempts a year at winning a slam while many of those that came before that only had three or even just two attempts. One could say, "well, tough luck, they should have known better." But they played a schedule according to what made sense back then, just like players today do according to what makes sense to them now. What if for the sake of argument, say, Beijing in decades to come will grow into one of the most prestigious events on the calender and fifty years from now fans will look at the trophee and see that player X's name isn't on there? Would it be fair if they said, "well, tough luck. She should have known better and made winning that one a top priority."

-History often intervened as well. Two world wars inevitably took away from what some great players could otherwise have achieved. The pre-open "only amateurs allowed to compete" nonsense had less of an impact on the womens side of the game than the mens where you may just as well throw huge chunks of recorded history in the garbage can since many of the best only played the exibition circuit. Even so, there have been careers on the womens side that were affected by this as well, although not to a degree where one could argue that their recorded history of pre-open tennis is entirely false.

-It's hard to assess the achievements of players from the past in terms of how strong the opposition was compared with today, and the further back you go the harder it gets. It's probably safe to say that the 10 best players of Lenglen's or Will's era were not as strong as the opposition that later greats had to face. On the other hand, that's not their fault and they were so much better than everyone else and so dominant that there's reason to believe that they would have been great in later times as well.

-Today fans speak with contempt about players who reach #1 on the ranking list. In fact, if you make it there you automatically become an object for ridicule. Players themselves often shrug their shoulders at it as well. This was unthinkable before the 2000's when reaching #1 was one of the main goals of those who could possibly get there.

-And is it really fair to virtually ignore everything a player has achieved away from the slams, even today when many argue that slams are everything and nothing else matters? I don't think so. If someone whould for example win Indian Wells and Miami back to back it would be as big (arguably even a bigger) achievement as winning a slam, although because of everyone's slam obsession few would recognize it as such.

-I think that the majors are the four most important things to consider to decide on a players' greatness, but not to the exclusion of everything else. It's convenient to do so however since it takes a minimum of effort to find a list of how many slams each player won and then to decide, "there you have it! The ranking list of the all time greats!" I don't think it's that simple, although I won't deny that number of slams won is a huge factor in the debate.
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-Well, I know that everyone on TF gets an orgasm whenever they hear the word slam and just shrug their shoulders at whatever else someone might have done during their careers, but I don't think that's entirely fair. It's an impossible question to answer anyway since there are too many variables and ifs and buts involved.

-One of the biggest mistakes people make is to value a players' achievements based on what is considered the most important today as opposed to what was considered the most important at the time those players were competing. For example - today each of the four majors has more or less the same prestige. But before the 1980's there was a clear ranking order between them. Wimbledon came first, closely followed by the USO. Than there was a gap and the FO came in third. Than there was an another gap between the FO and the AO. In the 1970's many players considered the YEC the third most prestigious title out there.

-That makes it hard to assess the value of the slam wins of the oldies as compared to those of contemporary and more recent players. There are many oldies who never bothered to play the AO and missed out on some FO's that otherwise they might have won. In other words, players from the 1980's onwards had four attempts a year at winning a slam while many of those that came before that only had three or even just two attempts. One could say, "well, tough luck, they should have known better." But they played a schedule according to what made sense back then, just like players today do according to what makes sense to them now. What if for the sake of argument, say, Beijing in decades to come will grow into one of the most prestigious events on the calender and fifty years from now fans will look at the trophee and see that player X's name isn't on there? Would it be fair if they said, "well, tough luck. She should have known better and made winning that one a top priority."

-History often intervened as well. Two world wars inevitably took away from what some great players could otherwise have achieved. The pre-open "only amateurs allowed to compete" nonsense had less of an impact on the womens side of the game than the mens where you may just as well throw huge chunks of recorded history in the garbage can since many of the best only played the exibition circuit. Even so, there have been careers on the womens side that were affected by this as well, although not to a degree where one could argue that their recorded history of pre-open tennis is entirely false.

-It's hard to assess the achievements of players from the past in terms of how strong the opposition was compared with today, and the further back you go the harder it gets. It's probably safe to say that the 10 best players of Lenglen's or Will's era were not as strong as the opposition that later greats had to face. On the other hand, that's not their fault and they were so much better than everyone else and so dominant that there's reason to believe that they would have been great in later times as well.

-Today fans speak with contempt about players who reach #1 on the ranking list. In fact, if you make it there you automatically become an object for ridicule. Players themselves often shrug their shoulders at it as well. This was unthinkable before the 2000's when reaching #1 was one of the main goals of those who could possibly get there.

-And is it really fair to virtually ignore everything a player has achieved away from the slams, even today when many argue that slams are everything and nothing else matters? I don't think so. If someone whould for example win Indian Wells and Miami back to back it would be as big (arguably even a bigger) achievement as winning a slam, although because of everyone's slam obsession few would recognize it as such.

-I think that the majors are the four most important things to consider to decide on a players' greatness, but not to the exclusion of everything else. It's convenient to do so however since it takes a minimum of effort to find a list of how many slams each player won and then to decide, "there you have it! The ranking list of the all time greats!" I don't think it's that simple, although I won't deny that number of slams won is a huge factor in the debate.
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Chris Evert considers Slams more important than YEC , despite in 70s YEC were much more profitable and prestigious than some Slams.... Replying on the question "Will Serena surpass you?" she answered "Yes, if she wins more Slams than me" I don't remember the exact quote, but it's what she meant

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-Today fans speak with contempt about players who reach #1 on the ranking list. In fact, if you make it there you automatically become an object for ridicule. Players themselves often shrug their shoulders at it as well. This was unthinkable before the 2000's when reaching #1 was one of the main goals of those who could possibly get there.
reaching #1 position is not a great achievement as Winning a Major is, it's something like being a world-leader before Olympics in other sports, but if you fails to win it , all the hype disappears immediately and this #1 position is becoming a reason for critical articles. There is nothing worse than being a world-leader (with best result in the season) and return back from Olympics without medals
same in tennis. The only difference is that there are much more chances to win "world championships" in tennis than in track-and -field, because of 4 Majros per year..... Players ranked #1 who failed to win a Slam shouldn't blame luck , as they were playing unique sport , which gives much more opportunities to get at the top than for instance skiing etc
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Wow only 1 vote for King? I am surprised at that. For me she is only #9 or #10 all time now so the logical choice to drop out.
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Re: Who drops out of top 10 all time when new member of top 10 all time emergs

Comparing King to Seles, they are close. King has 3 more slams and King was the dominant player of 67, 68, 72 and Seles only of 91, 92. King was also the #1 player of 66, 71, and maybe 74. Seles again only of 91 and 92. So come to think of it more King probably does have the edge.

However without the stabbing Seles would probably have about 12 slams and tie King. King though likely missed out on a few Australian Opens by not playing it more, so would then again still be about 3 ahead. King though was lucky to play in an era 3 of the 4 majors were on her best surface- grass. It would be like Seles not only not being stabbed but having 3 of the 4 majors be on rebound ace or clay, whichever one thinks is her best surface. King also benefited from periods Court either wasnt playing or just coming off a layoff. She never dominated in the presence of a strong and full time Court.
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Re: Who drops out of top 10 all time when new member of top 10 all time emergs

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Chris Evert considers Slams more important than YEC , despite in 70s YEC were much more profitable and prestigious than some Slams.... Replying on the question "Will Serena surpass you?" she answered "Yes, if she wins more Slams than me" I don't remember the exact quote, but it's what she meant
Chris Evert also said that if she knew back then that the FO would become as prestigious a title as Wimbledon and the USO that she would have competed at the three she missed in the 1970's instead of playing WTT. And I'm sure she feels the same way about the AO's she didn't play in the 70's as well. Personally I don't see it in terms of if Serena "only" wins 17 it's Evert >>> Serena and if she wins 19 it's Serena >>> Evert though. I see them more as members of a select tier one group of all time greats of which Evert of course is a member and one which Serena definitively joined in 2012. Probably sooner in fact, but this year she took away the last of whatever remaining doubts there may have been in the minds of some. But to rank Wills, Court, Graf, Serena and four or five others in any specific order is in my opinion impossible (but fun, I admit) because there are too many factors to consider. Most of the time it comes down to who you prefer and which statistics you choose to accentuate or ignore as a result.
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