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Old Nov 18th, 2012, 01:25 PM   #61
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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If abortion was legal for cases involving rape or health issues I think that would be the best.
Really?

What about women who got accidentally pregnant ? Who don't have enough money?
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Old Nov 18th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #62
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

^What about them?
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Old Nov 18th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #63
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

Everyone should have the right to get an abortion.
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Old Nov 18th, 2012, 01:50 PM   #64
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

I respect your opinion but I dont believe that!
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Old Nov 18th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #65
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I respect your opinion but I dont believe that!
Why? Do you believe in God? I understand why because often those who don't believe that follow what is said in the Bible.
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Old Nov 18th, 2012, 01:54 PM   #66
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Why? Do you believe in God? I understand why because often those who don't believe that follow what is said in the Bible.
Yes I do believe in God. Is that a problem for you?
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Old Nov 18th, 2012, 02:00 PM   #67
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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Yes I do believe in God. Is that a problem for you?
No, I respect the beliefs of people. I just want them to respect mine as well, and you said you respected my opinion so all is good.

Sorry for the OT, but what do you disagree with in the Bible? Homophobia ? or do you also think gay people should not be able to get married? it's out topic but I wonder if Christian people can be flexible regarding the Bible
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What about women who got accidentally pregnant ? Who don't have enough money?
Some may say that thats tough and she should have be more careful when it comes to contraceptives, it doesn't have to come from a religious basis, it can just come from a take responsibility for actions basis.

I mean if my friend told me she wanted an abortion I wouldn't stop her or tell her not to but I would wonder why she wasn't on either the pill or the implant for example, all my female friends are on one or the other and a girl I know who wasn't did have to make a run to the pharmacy one day for the morning after pill but once again it shows she's sensible.

I feel the US debate is much different to debates in most other countries, I mean there are a few crazies who speak for the whole of the pro-life movement in the US. I'd imagine most people in Europe would approve of abortions in cases of rape and health concerns. Although not everyone might approve of abortion on demand for the religious reasons and the responsibility reasons.

I'd love if feminists put as much effort into other pro-women causes like Prostitution legalisation for example, ohh yeah they don't support that for some bullshit reason when countries like New Zealand and Australia proves it works better than any form of criminalisation elsewhere.

Strange feminists can get on their moral high horse about prostitution but not abortion.

Sorry to go on that tangent the prostitution issue really gets to me when it comes to feminists
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

Nah, it's too simplistic. I have a friend who forgot the pill (it happens, really try to take the pill everyday for 21 days in a month at the same hour - it's so ANNOYING) but took the pill of tomorrow. She got pregnant.
She changed her mind and kept her baby. She is now a happy mother of a 3yo little girl.

Pill doesn't protect you at 100% . And you can forget it, I don't see how it is that bad to forget the pill only once and boom you are pregnant, you are really unlucky. Anyone who thinks most of women think an abortion is an easy decision to have are fools IMO. Sure, there is a minority who doesn't treat abortion like it should be, but there are minorities everywhere and strange behaviours.

And why do you compare abortion to prostitution?
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

They're both issues that effect women yet only one issue is seen as a woman's choice, when a lot of women voluntarily become prostitutes and are condemned for that or patronised by being told that they were forced into it.

Having lived in New Zealand I believe more than ever that prostitution legalisation is the only way forward for modern society.
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

I can only imagine the millions upon millions of babies that were never born
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Having lived in New Zealand I believe more than ever that prostitution legalisation is the only way forward for modern society.
Really? What was it like in New Zealand?
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They're both issues that effect women yet only one issue is seen as a woman's choice, when a lot of women voluntarily become prostitutes and are condemned for that or patronised by being told that they were forced into it.

Having lived in New Zealand I believe more than ever that prostitution legalisation is the only way forward for modern society.
I am more torn on this issue.

Some want to be prostitutes indeed, but many women are very badly treated and pimps are awful too. It's a very complicated issue, I don't think it's possible to have a black & white view on this.
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

But do you think its ok to have a black/white view on abortion when some may see the fetus as a baby, I can see how people may not necessarily comfortable with prostitution however opposition to both comes from a moral perspective but opposition to abortion is dismissed as archaic and backward whereas opposition to prostitution is the norm in society it seems.

I personally think abortion should be legal and even probably on demand however I'd limit this to the first trimester only which is the case I believe in most European countries. I however understand why people are opposed to abortion.

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Really? What was it like in New Zealand?
All forms of prostitution has be legal since 2003, running a brothel, escort agency, massage parlour, independent and street prostitution are all legal however coercion of a sex worker is illegal.

Street prostitution tends to be limited to certain areas for example in Auckland I used to see the odd girl on K Road cause I happened to live nearby, but in no way are prostitutes running rampant across New Zealand's cities. Its all quite discreet actually.
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