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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 05:52 PM   #16
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

I saw some of the coverage from an Indian news station on the news tonight. I think the issue took up most of the parliamentary proceedings again today. Legislation to permit life saving terminations has already been drawn up. Why have governments dragged their heels for so long? Now that legislation may needed to be addended or altered to give further guidelines/criteria so as to avoid another situation or a particular situation like Savita's. I wonder how long it will be before it's actually written into the law.

Those quotes you posted really ring true, Bijoux. If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a non-issue.
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 05:54 PM   #17
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

I saw this on the news yesterday and it was really upsetting to say the least.

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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #18
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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Every time I read these horrible stories regarding some people denying women the right to make decisions about their own bodies, I think of these 2 quotes below:

“If men could get pregnant, abortion clinics would be like Starbucks - two on every block and four in every airport. And the morning-after pill would come in different flavors, like sea salt and cool ranch.”

"If Men Could Get Pregnant, Abortion Would be a Sacrament."
Love those.


Heard about this yesterday.
Such a shame, religion has no place is medicine and I'm not sure why people are so pressed in trying to cling to it regardless of the effect on others' lives.
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 06:57 PM   #19
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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"Pro-life" is one of the biggest misnomers out there. This whole mindset is anti-woman and that's about it.
I don't see how being pro-life means that one is anti-woman.
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I don't see how being pro-life means that one is anti-woman.
Because it's against letting a woman be in control of her own body
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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Because it's against letting a woman be in control of her own body
But that doesn't show that people who are pro-life are anti-woman. It shows that they are "anti-letting women do whatever they want with their bodies".
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 07:51 PM   #22
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

Yes because letting people do what they want regarding anything has gotten this world so far
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

But I do believe that if it is going to kill the mother than it is ok
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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I saw some of the coverage from an Indian news station on the news tonight. I think the issue took up most of the parliamentary proceedings again today. Legislation to permit life saving terminations has already been drawn up. Why have governments dragged their heels for so long? Now that legislation may needed to be addended or altered to give further guidelines/criteria so as to avoid another situation or a particular situation like Savita's. I wonder how long it will be before it's actually written into the law.

Those quotes you posted really ring true, Bijoux. If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a non-issue.
It's true, really.
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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I swear I've read before that abortion is illegal in Ireland unless the pregnancy poses a risk to the health of the mother, which this evidently did. The doctors were 100% in the wrong here, and now they've lost two jobs. I hope whoever was involved is blacklisted as this is a massive and controversial problem.
From the news coverage I've seen, it seems that the Irish Constitution was amended in 1992, to permit abortions when the mother's life would be @ risk. The fault is shared by the Dail (Parliament) for not passing the legislation to comply with that, with the medical regulators for not shaming them into doing so; and with the doctors & their lawyers, for not having the guts to say that the Constitution is the supreme law in any country.
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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Because it's against letting a woman be in control of her own body
This is not true. Being "pro-life" can mean more than one thing. I consider myself "pro-life". I have my beliefs but, I do not feel I have the authority or justification to stop a woman from having an abortion. I feel that statement is a gross generalization.

I feel sorry for this woman and her husband. She was in the midst of having a miscarriage, therefore the baby would never have survived. This is where common sense must be used. Saving the mothers life takes precedence over a child that had no hope of ever being born. Hopefully such a tragedy will aid in throwing off the chains of rigid legalism(religiously speaking).
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From the news coverage I've seen, it seems that the Irish Constitution was amended in 1992, to permit abortions when the mother's life would be @ risk. The fault is shared by the Dail (Parliament) for not passing the legislation to comply with that, with the medical regulators for not shaming them into doing so; and with the doctors & their lawyers, for not having the guts to say that the Constitution is the supreme law in any country.
I don't think one person truly understands the Irish medical system. They just know it refuses to change.
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

That is so wrong .
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I think it's more about doctors' misjudgments rather than the law per se. Of course the law needs to change but I do think had the doctors shown a bit of sense this should not have happened
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Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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But that doesn't show that people who are pro-life are anti-woman. It shows that they are "anti-letting women do whatever they want with their bodies".
And thus patriarchy imposes its way, which is the very root of misogyny.
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