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Old Nov 13th, 2012, 01:38 PM   #16
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

Far too inconsistent. I think two Slams were a pretty good measure of her career.
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Old Nov 13th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #17
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

Jj74 said it best, IMO. Champions have to know how to win even on an off day, and Mary didn't really have the ability to dig deep against players she couldn't blow away. She was still a special player, of course, and yes, Mary at her best hit with more power than anybody else in her generation, and I'm including both Steffi and Monica in that statement (Not saying she was a better player than them, of course, but peak-wise, I'd take her over either of them).
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Old Nov 13th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #18
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

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past the Qf round just 6 freaking times out of 52 times
Well, that just means that PEAK Pierce would have won 52*2 (remember, she would embarrass peak Federer ) = 104 Slams. But as we know, peak Pierce was not daily Pierce. Hence just a 2-Slam winner.
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Old Nov 13th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #19
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

I can't see her not loving the sport since she attends so many tennis events to this day!

Anyway, just because you think a player should have won more doesn't make them an underachiever. She had a good career, albeit hampered by many of the things that hamper other players: injuries, family, shifting desires, etc.
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Old Nov 13th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #20
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

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People seem to not understand that a peak player is not the real player. Mary was able to play at an incredibly high level from time to time, but she wasn't able to sustain that level for long.
Serena, Graf, Navratilova or Evert are on everyone's list as the best (in different order) because they were able to sustain a high level tennis for a long time, and even more, they were able to win big tournaments even without being at her top level or in their best form.

1994 is a good example why Pierce not achieve more. She was in top form, she destroy all her rivals, including Steffi Graf in semis, but she wasn't able to be that good in the final. Arantxa simply doesn't let her play the way she wanted, she had to hit one more ball in every game, and finally she started to make more errors. Her finals against Henin and Clijsters are good examples of that too.
In a good day Mary could defeat everyone, but when she wasn't in a good day, the number of players who were able to defeat her were really high.
And mentally she was very far from the ones that dominated the 90's
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

Tennis's biggest underachiever is a player neither you or I ever heard of. She had the talent to be a world number 1 but she didn't put in the work when she was young, fell out of shape, lost interest, perhaps didn't have the money to back her up and support her and didn't get the coaching and sponsorship she needed and so she quit the game as a junior, and now none of us have ever heard of her. Sad, but almost certainly true.
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

biggest underachievers - Tracy Austin, Monica Seles
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

2 majors, 4 runner-up trophies, 2 time finalist at YEC, world number 3, $9.7 million in prize money....
Pretty serious achievements there.
Did she underachieve? She could have won another major or two yes but she lost those finals to Sanchez, Henin, Hingis and Clisters, all of whom won more majors than she did and all of whom had the consistency to become number one.
Consistency is what Pierce lacked and why she did not win more.
I think she achieved what she was due, if that makes any sense.
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

Pierce the Canadian the French decided to class as their own just so they could say they had a slam winner. She overachieved tbh.
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

Wozniacki is a bigger underachiever because she would have a slam if she pushed a little harder.
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

Mary Pierce was the Hana Mandlikova of Big Babe Tennis.


Sublime when playing at her best , but even if one thing went off, the whole performance suffered.
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Old Nov 14th, 2012, 05:21 AM   #27
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

If you think of the evolution of Big Babe Tennis as baseliners with...

power off one side -> power off both sides -> power off both sides w/ a big serve

Pierce was the first player to really put all three together. Did it inconsistently, but she was the first top player who had power off both wings and a big serve.

The next step was adding good footspeed to all three components, and that's where the Williams sisters came in.
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Old Nov 14th, 2012, 10:50 AM   #28
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

Mary would have done much better if her mental part was better - the inconsistency was the result of the mental part which made her so tight on important points. Just looking at her game, she should have had more success in my oppinion. Her strokes were pretty much perfectly performed, and she was moving pretty good when she was in shape. She was in 41 finals during her long bumpy career but she only managed to win 18 of them so I believe that she is an underachiver.
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Re: Mary Pierce: Tennis' Biggest Underachiever??

So it seems everyone is split between over and under achiever.

Is there a reason for the inconsistency.
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