[bandabou]

Originally Posted by tejmeglekvár

bring what? You are describing like its just mental and she is never beaten in the actual game. I guess Lord is just incredible lucky scoring 9 wins in row against a choker!

Serena obviously is much much better than Masha...but some of the scorelines and specially those Masha has had against Vika is just plain sad, she went away mentally. Unless of course..you think that Vika's the better player than Masha too?!

[Pavstry.]

Originally Posted by bandabou

Serena obviously is much much better than Masha...but some of the scorelines and specially those Masha has had against Vika is just plain sad, she went away mentally. Unless of course..you think that Vika's the better player than Masha too?!

Azarenka had similar losing scorelines even against Maria. And obviously its not an ideal matchup for neither of them, although Azarenka's steadier groundgame simply favours her most of the time.
Their results show small things (technical, physical) can change the whole match.
Game & mental capabilities go hand in hand. Most of the time you cant treat as two completely separated things.
Its BS saying "went away mentally" and then next week you see her winning the match same easy way as she lost previous week.

[DevilishAttitude]

Originally Posted by RVD

I find these a great deal more accurate.
Especially Serena's critiques.

I would also add that Serena is more of a 'complete' player/athlete/strategist out on the court than most other WTA players, presently. And that she doesn't get enough credit for her on-court adaptability.
When others are receiving coaching from the stands, Serena is devising her next plan of attack.

You don't agree with me that her serve is the best in tennis and that her defense is as good as her offense, which makes her almost unplayable?

I don't agree with the view that Serena is more 'complete'. Look at the US final, when her game went off she didn't try anything different. She just kept hitting hard and hoping it would go in. It was due to Azarenka getting tight that she scraped through rather than her changing her game and adapting to the situation.

[MrProdigy555]

Originally Posted by DevilishAttitude

You don't agree with me that her serve is the best in tennis and that her defense is as good as her offense, which makes her almost unplayable?

I don't agree with the view that Serena is more 'complete'. Look at the US final, when her game went off she didn't try anything different. She just kept hitting hard and hoping it would go in. It was due to Azarenka getting tight that she scraped through rather than her changing her game and adapting to the situation.

So, Azarenka GAVE Serena the US Open title? You are something else. Serena took that title.

[RVD]

Originally Posted by DevilishAttitude

You don't agree with me that her serve is the best in tennis and that her defense is as good as her offense, which makes her almost unplayable?

I don't agree with the view that Serena is more 'complete'. Look at the US final, when her game went off she didn't try anything different. She just kept hitting hard and hoping it would go in. It was due to Azarenka getting tight that she scraped through rather than her changing her game and adapting to the situation.

Naw, I agree with those. It's just that the list wasn't quite complete/accurate.
For example Serena's return game vs Azarenka's.

Are you saying that Serena has only an 'A' game?

Actually Serena has employed different plans throughout here career. She may get lazy, as all athletes infrequently do, but she definitely has more than a single plan.
Plus, she has several gears at her disposal.

Personally, Serena didn't play that USO final any differently than she would against any other great returner. Kim and Capriati both immediately come to mind. And the waiting game she displayed out there during a good portion of the match is typical of her. Serena often waits for that one opening on which to capitalize. Next thing you know, she broken her opponent and not looking back.

Serena knows when to turn it up or when to try something different. Her fans are often awarded with heart attacks during these periods, but she does come through for the win more often than not. Plus, she was in amazing form entering the USO, and very healthy.
Still, the fact is, she won the USO, and it wasn't Azarenka who gave her the match.
That can't be what you're implying, is it?

[End da Game]

maria's mental toughness is overrated, its no better than serena's or azerenka's

[NashaMasha]

Originally Posted by End da Game

maria's mental toughness is overrated, its no better than serena's or azerenka's

what matches Maria lost in 2012 because of mental problems, choking?

[Lachy]

Where are the people saying Azarenka is more mentally tough than Maria? Seriously? The girl chucks a tantrum the MOMENT she starts losing in a match. People think she's changed over the years? LOL - no - once a brat, always a brat. There is NO way Azarenka is more mentally tough than Maria - Serena I'll give you.

LOL - nice laugh there.

[Crimewave]

Originally Posted by Lachy

Where are the people saying Azarenka is more mentally tough than Maria? Seriously? The girl chucks a tantrum the MOMENT she starts losing in a match. People think she's changed over the years? LOL - no - once a brat, always a brat. There is NO way Azarenka is more mentally tough than Maria - Serena I'll give you.

LOL - nice laugh there.

Some time ago Azarenka's tantrums were a sing that she was going to collapse, but now I think they help her more than they affect her. She has turned them into something positive, which shows that her mentality has improved.

I agree though that she's not mentally stronger than Pova, but somehow she's way fearless, at least at the moment.

[Lachy]

Originally Posted by Crimewave

Some time ago Azarenka's tantrums were a sing that she was going to collapse, but now I think they help her more than they affect her. She has turned them into something positive, which shows that her mentality has improved.

I agree though that she's not mentally stronger than Pova, but somehow she's way fearless, at least at the moment.

When she's winning...it's easy to look like a mental giant when you're winning matches. Look to her matches this year when she's losing - she makes drama, makes it about herself - bar the match against Serena because she wouldn't have gotten away with it.

[RVD]

Didn't Sharapova cry on court during a drubbing from Serena?
Doesn't speak much for the mentally tough argument.

[Stonerpova]

Originally Posted by RVD

Didn't Sharapova cry on court during a drubbing from Serena?
Doesn't speak much for the mentally tough argument.

Serena cried against Razzano at the French Open

[RVD]

Originally Posted by Griffin.

Serena cried against Razzano at the French Open

Did she?
I had a family emergency and didn't watch. Are you sure? Where are the pics and gifs of this?
This is news to me.

[Stonerpova]

Originally Posted by RVD

Did she?
I had a family emergency and didn't watch. Are you sure? Where are the pics and gifs of this?
This is news to me.

Video's on this website:

http://www.sportsgrid.com/tennis/ser...s-french-open/

My point is players have off days, emotionally and otherwise.

[RVD]

Originally Posted by Griffin.

Video's on this website:

http://www.sportsgrid.com/tennis/ser...s-french-open/

My point is players have off days, emotionally and otherwise.

Ah, thank you.
And agreed.