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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #121
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at people again trotting out the "ZOMG the competition was so much better in 2002!!!11!!". Whoever said people were wrongly conflating 2002 with 1999-2001 was spot-on - 99-01 was truly the WTA's golden age, but in '02, Hingis dropped out, Davenport missed almost the entire season with injury, Henin and Clijsters had a strangely poor year (esp in the Slams) despite their breakthrough seasons in '01. Serena's only significant rivals that year were Venus and Capriati. The strength at the top of the game was certainly on a par with 2002.

With that said, Serena's 2002 is obviously still much better than 2012, because of the fact she dominated on all surfaces. 2 of her big wins in 2012 came on grass, and she was hardly convincing at the US Open. Even though the Willytards don't like to hear it, it's still pretty obvious that Serena's best tournament of 2012 level of play-wise was the YEC (the Li match aside) when you take into account that it was a slow surface that didn't give her much serve much bang for its buck and actually forced her to play better off the ground than she did on grass.
1997 - 2001 was actually very weak......steffi, arantxa, seles were done and dusted mentally and physically......there were talks of steffi's retirement as early as 1995 but she somehow continued on......

hingis took over the weak era (1997 - 2001) and won all the slams she could before venus and serena peaked too early for her(hingis) unfortunately and took over completely......very much reminiscent of federer's domination before nadal and djokovic peaked(2003 - 2006)......

2001 saw the revival of capriati(a player who i dislike for some reason) and those belgian slam fights(clijsters-henin) started in the same year as well......venus and serena entered their peaks and started smashing everyone else into oblivion......
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 06:18 PM   #122
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Yeah but the the competition was way too weak overall though. She played great for sure but she wasn't even challenged and couldn't be against those mugs except Stosur.
Well i'm talking about her game coming together perfectly, not really competition-wise. At the YEC her level was overall "meh" but she did play great in the final.
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #123
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 06:24 PM   #124
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No it's not that bad when we know that she won Wimbledon, OG, USO and YEC.
But maybe you were expecting her to win every single title well that's not gonna happen.
Right, right...so why you guys so sad about the 3-6 record in finals this year, then?!
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 06:31 PM   #125
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nobody gives a shit about nadal
of course you do, that's why you bothered to post about him.....
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 06:59 PM   #126
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Right, right...so why you guys so sad about the 3-6 record in finals this year, then?!
3-6 is quite bad but only Miami really bothers me though, the others she had zero chance with the way she was playing and of course because of the opponent as well.
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #127
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1997 - 2001 was actually very weak......steffi, arantxa, seles were done and dusted mentally and physically......there were talks of steffi's retirement as early as 1995 but she somehow continued on......

hingis took over the weak era (1997 - 2001) and won all the slams she could before venus and serena peaked too early for her(hingis) unfortunately and took over completely......very much reminiscent of federer's domination before nadal and djokovic peaked(2003 - 2006)......

2001 saw the revival of capriati(a player who i dislike for some reason) and those belgian slam fights(clijsters-henin) started in the same year as well......venus and serena entered their peaks and started smashing everyone else into oblivion......
Hingis wasnt running anything after 1997. 1998 and 1999 Davenport was the true number 1 both years (even if on the computer only in 1998). 2000 and 2001 Hingis was nowhere near best player.
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Hingis wasnt running anything after 1997. 1998 and 1999 Davenport was the true number 1 both years (even if on the computer only in 1998). 2000 and 2001 Hingis was nowhere near best player.
she just got shown her way out gradually by better players......davenport too benefited a little from the weak field but at least she scored some quality victories......
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #129
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LOL...Davenport was injured in 2002 and only played a few tournaments.
Henin and Clijsters in 2002 were nowhere near the level Azarenka or Pova are in 2012 and Venus was always Serena's underling in Slam finals. In fact, one could argue that the competition in 2012 was stronger than it was in 2002 which is also why Serena didn't even get close to the #1 ranking in 2012 (unlike 2002).

Of course achievement-wise (unlike what RVD claims ), 2002 was a much better year for Serena since she won more Slams, was more dominant overall and was #1 for the most part of the year.
Just your opinion alone doesn't make the argument convincing Matt. In fact, you've added nothing to the debate at all here. So why bring up my name as if you've stumbled upon some astounding revelation?
Just for once while discussing Serena...why not check your personal hatred at the door?
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3-6 is quite bad but only Miami really bothers me though, the others she had zero chance with the way she was playing and of course because of the opponent as well.
I see..okay, still feel that if Serena had done a better job at the Oz and Miami and RG specially, she'd be no.1
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Old Nov 15th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #131
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Just your opinion alone doesn't make the argument convincing Matt. In fact, you've added nothing to the debate at all here. So why bring up my name as if you've stumbled upon some astounding revelation?
Just for once while discussing Serena...why not check your personal hatred at the door?

Why do YOU not check your personal delusional fandom first?
Even your fellow Serena fans disagree with you about 2012 being a better season for Serena, and the arguments I provided for my opinion you probably didn't even read. So instead of singing your old song about my "hatred" for Serena, why not use your brain for once and come up with some reasonable arguments for a change?
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

In no sense was Serena's 2012 better than 2002 except for the fact 2012 it was probably the best season ever by a 30 year old women, and the best season ever by a women who hadnt been able to play a relatively full season in 3 years, while 2002 it wasnt the best season ever in any sense except arguably sheer level of play or most dominance vs an actual real field (vs what Navratilova and Graf faced in their most dominant years which was crap on a bun).
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Why do YOU not check your personal delusional fandom first?
Even your fellow Serena fans disagree with you about 2012 being a better season for Serena, and the arguments I provided for my opinion you probably didn't even read. So instead of singing your old song about my "hatred" for Serena, why not use your brain for once and come up with some reasonable arguments for a change?
Simply because my arguments aren't delusions Matt.
With you it's always the same perfectionist requirements when you discuss Serena. Why is that?

Yes, some of my fellow Serena fans have in fact disagreed with me in this thread, and some have agreed with me as well. I read your posts. What's your point?
There is still no revelation expressed here from you Matt. You parrotted what posters have already said.
And you didn't answer the question as to why you brought ONLY my name up when a few other posters shared in my argument.
So again, what point were you trying to make in bringing up my name Matt?
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she just got shown her way out gradually by better players......davenport too benefited a little from the weak field but at least she scored some quality victories......
Well, according to TF logic every past great benefited from a weak field. But the era of our fave is always much tougher than the previous or later one(s) so that it makes our fave look even better.
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Well, according to TF logic every past great benefited from a weak field. But the era of our fave is always much tougher than the previous or later one(s) so that it makes our fave look even better.
exactly
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