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Old Nov 12th, 2012, 12:07 AM   #61
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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No way is Serena better off the ground now. Back in '02/03, her shots had so much leverage, huge thudding power complimented by great width and accuracy. Just look at the US Open final of 2002- she made Venus look underpowered and slow, such was the sheer insanity of her hitting.

Nowadays Serena is certainly more inventive on court, and can probably gage the tempo of a match much better. Also she has refined her serve to the extent that it becomes borderline unplayable when serving over 60%.

Movement wise, she's nowhere near the athlete she was 10 years ago. But that's to be expected obviously. What Serena has done is adapt completely to the changing conditions and limitations in her game, and that is the proof of an enduring champion. Making compromises, but not at the expense of limiting your results.

As for the question, 2002>>2012.
No. I watched the 2002 UO again and I see the same thing I said earlier. The rallies are longer, because she returns so many balls to the middle of the court. Go watch her vs Azarenka or any other top player since 2010 AO to present. She has become Federer, going for the lines and keep points short. She is more impressive to me now than she was before with her serve and shot placement. power is the same.

Agree about the movement though.
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Old Nov 12th, 2012, 12:43 AM   #62
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No. I watched the 2002 UO again and I see the same thing I said earlier. The rallies are longer, because she returns so many balls to the middle of the court.....


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Old Nov 12th, 2012, 03:51 AM   #63
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if you have to wait until everyone wins a slam for them to be strong players then someone's RG is meaningless try again....if serena was winning most of the slams then who else was gonna win them? 4 slams can't be won by every member of the top 10 in 1 year so some of them will lose...serena was too strong in 2002 for them so failed logic


2002 by far
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

People who were actually watching tennis 10 years ago will all be in agreement. Serena 02 was the highest level of tennis I've ever seen, some of her 2012 performances have been close but still 02>12

Although I'd say Renas a more complete player now, her serves never been this good, 2002 rena was a superior shotmaker and athlete.
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

Serena's hair in 2012 > Serena's hair in 2002

That said, Serena said herself 2002 was bigger/better for her (I think she considers AO 2003 as the extension/part of 2002 though) after winning Istanbul this year.
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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2002. More dominant.
Dam Rena, how could she be more dominant that in 2012?? Banging the world #1 & 2 one right after another in the Olympic and didn't lose but 4 games to them. Then banging Wimbledon, and the US Open, also, beating the #1 and #2, but this time, she is 30-31 years old. Hingis, Davey, Caprita, all retired, and still younger..

Serena's age makes 2012, unapproachable (new word)
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People who were actually watching tennis 10 years ago will all be in agreement. Serena 02 was the highest level of tennis I've ever seen, some of her 2012 performances have been close but still 02>12

Although I'd say Renas a more complete player now, her serves never been this good, 2002 rena was a superior shotmaker and athlete.
I started watching tennis in 2000. I think she's playing better now. In my opinion, although she's a step slower, her serve and shots are more effective and deadly.
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I started watching tennis in 2000. I think she's playing better now. In my opinion, although she's a step slower, her serve and shots are more effective and deadly.
I'd agree her serve is superior now, and I'd say her forehand has become a more complete shot. But I think her level in 2002 is higher then today. I mean her matches vs sharapova this year, and her Olympic tournament play is arguably the best tennis I've ever seen a woman produce!!!! But she was producing almost the same level far more consistently in 2002, with a less effective serve and against greater competition.
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

Serena was a superhuman in 2002.


Look how fast and powerfully she moved. Beautiful Black Amazon Queen.
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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The rallies are longer [in 2002], because she returns so many balls to the middle of the court.
Utter garbage.

Of course her ground game was better in 2002.
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Dam Rena, how could she be more dominant that in 2012?? Banging the world #1 & 2 one right after another in the Olympic and didn't lose but 4 games to them. Then banging Wimbledon, and the US Open, also, beating the #1 and #2, but this time, she is 30-31 years old. Hingis, Davey, Caprita, all retired, and still younger..

Serena's age makes 2012, unapproachable (new word)
This.

Serena is a by far a more complete and relaxed player in 2012 than she was in 2002.
More complete = More superior.
Purely in terms of wins/records, 2002 would appear the greater year.
However, the mental and technical improvements of 2012 Serena, would stomp 2002 Serena.
The 2002 version would quickly become frustrated with the 2012 version, and invariably lose.
One last note...
Let's not forget that Serena did achieve/complete the career Golden Slam thus year.
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

- Serena serves better now, is better tactically and probably has a better FH.
- Serena returned better then, was clearly faster and was FAR mentally tougher.
2002 was her greater season, and in a hypothetical face-off I pick 2002Rena in 3. Serena hates opponents who get a lot of balls back, neutralize the serve and who mix spin/slice to keep her off rhythm. Neither do much of the latter(though Serena now is better in that regard, just not enough to decide a matchup) so I'll disregard that. Neither versions of her are slow, but 2002Rena was a step and a half quicker and had more stamina. Both incarnations of her could neutralize the other's serve fairly effectively, but 2002Rena relied on her serve less. And in terms of mental toughness, in which year did she surrender a set and 5-2 in the TB lead at the french leading to her first ever loss in R1 of a slam, crumble from a set and a break up in a wimbledon final, and a couple of months later kill her opponent in the first set only to lose timing/intensity and very nearly lose the US Open final? I'll wait.
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

2002 Serena would rape 2012 Serena off the ground particularly on grass.

Just watch how she destroyed the ball in the 02 SF and Finals.
2012 has the overall superior serving. And better shot placement and better tactics.
But movement hands down is 02

2002>>2012

But you gotta admire her 2012; how she is still sooooo dominant after 10 years
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Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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2002- 3 slams, Year end #1,Final of YEC, and 8 titles or 2012- 2 Slams, Olympic Gold, YEC, and 7 titles
3 GS titles will always be bigger than 2 GS + Olympics obviously.
She was faster in 2002. That being said Serena 2012 is a much more complete player, smarter, serves better. Her general style of play was more "brutal" in 2002 and so not as beautiful to watch as it is now. The woman has matured a lot. Turning point was 2006/07.
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Serena was a superhuman in 2002.


Look how fast and powerfully she moved. Beautiful Black Amazon Queen.
Damn, Serena and Capriati had some fierce battles. I bet she misses having a real rival. lol
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