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Old Feb 14th, 2013, 11:29 AM   #31
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Ellison doesn't care about the WTA as he never show up for the matches, leaving an highly visible empty spot in the stands.
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Didn't he personally make a statement about trying to get the WS back a few years ago?
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It seems to me that he means that ATP denied offer for significant increase in 1st-4thR prize money in IW with slight increase in QF/SF and no increase in F/W , just because it's against their rules......

That's how ATP takes care about "struggling for a living" not top50 players..... Nice from them

Players organisation my ass, the ATP is all about big sponsors and big players, they don't give two fucks about anyone else.
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This ATP money situation is complicated. Tournament directors of other events dont want to compete with Ellison.
But Gimelstob, who is on the ATP board, tweeted that this isnt over.
I cant imagine ATP not taking the money, no matter what IMG or other tournament directors want
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Players organisation my ass, the ATP is all about big sponsors and big players, they don't give two fucks about anyone else.
I'm extremely relieved that more people are finally becoming more familiar with this scum's motives and drive.
Ellison doesn't help anyone, nor care about anyone, but himself, his wealth, and his reputation.
That's what it means to be an egomaniac.

And just like the previous executives of IW, they don't apologize for their own screw-ups...ever!
So it's no wonder that Ellison would purchased and completely control this 'desert tournament'.
How embarrassing that they'd actually believe people wouldn't figure them out.

And btw, I wonder if this article was posted on this board last year?
These guys seem to love licking each others asses.

http://www.bnpparibasopen.com/News/Tennis/2012/Tournament/Charlie-Pasarell.aspx
Charlie Pasarell Leaves BNP Paribas Open and Indian Wells Tennis Garden


Many elite players over the years have avoided this tournament for various reasons.
Some have claimed injuries to avoid penalties, yet have gone on to play Miami.
So at least many of the players aren't buying into the IW facade.

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Didn't he personally make a statement about trying to get the WS back a few years ago?
Don't know if this ever transpired. I doubt it, as there is nothing publicized, and it would have certainly been big news.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2013/0...e-money-rules/
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Ellison could give a car away as part of the prize money.
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Ellison could give a car away as part of the prize money.
Yeah like that 10k in Italy and Stuttgart of course.

But yeah IW could try the car strategy if they have an auto sponsor.
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Indian Wells finally has its windfall.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...wells/1933541/


On Wednesday, the ATP Tour cleared the way for the BNP Paribas Open to award an across-the-board prize money increase that had been hanging in the balance since late last year.

The ATP announced the decision on its website: "Prize money at the 2013 BNP Paribas Open will increase to $5,030,402 following the ATP Board of Directors' approval of Indian Wells' proposed prize money distribution for 2013, the ATP announced on Wednesday. The approval of the prize money distribution leads to more than $860,000 of additional prize money on offer across the men's singles and doubles events for 2013. By virtue of the approval, every player in the men's singles and doubles events will earn above the minimum prize money levels per round established for the tournament."

The decision settles an issue that has been simmering since last fall, when Larry Ellison, the billionaire co-founder of Oracle Corp. and owner of the Indian Wells, Calif., event, offered to boost the purse by $800,000 for this year's tournament, which begins March 4.

But in November the ATP board — made up of three player representatives and three tournament representatives — reached a 3-3 deadlock. ATP executive chairman and president Brad Drewett could have cast the deciding vote but abstained.

According to the ATP, the increase would have violated its prize money distribution formula.

The move infuriated past and present players. It also exposed the convoluted management structure and conflicts of interest that have long vexed the sport.

"To me, this underlines what is completely wrong with the system," former pro and ESPN commentator Brad Gilbert said Wednesday.

"I'm not going to call it broken," American Ryan Harrison said last week of the ATP. "There is room for improvement."

The prize money issue has reignited debate about the deep divisions within the sport.

The ATP, co-controlled by the players and the tournaments, does not want to set prize money precedents that veer from its model — and could irk other tournaments that would feel diminished in Indian Wells' wake.

At the same time, turning down Ellison, who has poured money into Indian Wells since acquiring it in 2010, fueled player discontent and rapidly became a PR fiasco.

At the SAP Open in San Jose, Calif., last week, several players expressed dismay.

"I think people from other sports reading it are like, 'Wow, that's kinda weird,' " said No. 16 John Isner, the top-ranked American man.

Earlier this month, BNP Paribas Open CEO Raymond Moore told The Desert Sun that he was frustrated by politics blocking the vote. If not passed, he said the tournament would revert to 2011 prize money allocations of about $4.5 million, a sizable cut for players.

The total purse would have been about $5.3 million this year if the board had failed to approve the increase.

"I hope they'll approve it, but I'm not optimistic," Moore said. "There's an inherent conflict of interest with the tournament directors. It's the tournament directors who are blocking it. Why would they want to block it? They want to put the muzzle or the bridle on Indian Wells or the BNP Paribas Open, so we don't outdistance the tournaments around the world. I can't think of another reason to block it."

The BNP Paribas Open also increased prize money last year, then described as a one-time situation. The money, however, was distributed only from the quarterfinals on.

In the months since, the distribution of prize money, mostly for the lower rounds, has been a rallying point for male players. In response, big tournaments such as the U.S. Open and Australian Open have directed a larger percentage of money at earlier rounds in announcing their purses.

Gilbert said Wednesday the Indian Wells situation was a "joke" and "travesty."

He called for tennis to hire a commissioner to oversee the sport and its various governing bodies, which includes International Tennis Federation. The ITF governs the four majors and the Davis Cup and Fed Cup.

He also said players should form a union.

"The system needs to be blown up and changed," Gilbert added. "Maybe then we can rewrite the bylaws because they are antiquated."
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Thankyou goldenlox,

The inevitable and correct decision has been reached. It always seemed this had to be the decision that would be reached really. Anytime you have someone wanting to pump money into your game, to turn it down would be utterly stupid. Thankfully, the light bulbs finally turned on at ATP headquarters to realise this, and in turn it benefits the WTA as well .
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"Moore said he has gotten positive feedback from the WTA Tour on the proposal..."
Of course he has.
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Money doesn't buy everything, it's the root of evil
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Indian Wells finally has its windfall.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...wells/1933541/


On Wednesday, the ATP Tour cleared the way for the BNP Paribas Open to award an across-the-board prize money increase that had been hanging in the balance since late last year.

The ATP announced the decision on its website: "Prize money at the 2013 BNP Paribas Open will increase to $5,030,402 following the ATP Board of Directors' approval of Indian Wells' proposed prize money distribution for 2013, the ATP announced on Wednesday. The approval of the prize money distribution leads to more than $860,000 of additional prize money on offer across the men's singles and doubles events for 2013. By virtue of the approval, every player in the men's singles and doubles events will earn above the minimum prize money levels per round established for the tournament."

The decision settles an issue that has been simmering since last fall, when Larry Ellison, the billionaire co-founder of Oracle Corp. and owner of the Indian Wells, Calif., event, offered to boost the purse by $800,000 for this year's tournament, which begins March 4.

But in November the ATP board — made up of three player representatives and three tournament representatives — reached a 3-3 deadlock. ATP executive chairman and president Brad Drewett could have cast the deciding vote but abstained.

According to the ATP, the increase would have violated its prize money distribution formula.

The move infuriated past and present players. It also exposed the convoluted management structure and conflicts of interest that have long vexed the sport.

"To me, this underlines what is completely wrong with the system," former pro and ESPN commentator Brad Gilbert said Wednesday.

"I'm not going to call it broken," American Ryan Harrison said last week of the ATP. "There is room for improvement."

The prize money issue has reignited debate about the deep divisions within the sport.

The ATP, co-controlled by the players and the tournaments, does not want to set prize money precedents that veer from its model — and could irk other tournaments that would feel diminished in Indian Wells' wake.

At the same time, turning down Ellison, who has poured money into Indian Wells since acquiring it in 2010, fueled player discontent and rapidly became a PR fiasco.

At the SAP Open in San Jose, Calif., last week, several players expressed dismay.

"I think people from other sports reading it are like, 'Wow, that's kinda weird,' " said No. 16 John Isner, the top-ranked American man.

Earlier this month, BNP Paribas Open CEO Raymond Moore told The Desert Sun that he was frustrated by politics blocking the vote. If not passed, he said the tournament would revert to 2011 prize money allocations of about $4.5 million, a sizable cut for players.

The total purse would have been about $5.3 million this year if the board had failed to approve the increase.

"I hope they'll approve it, but I'm not optimistic," Moore said. "There's an inherent conflict of interest with the tournament directors. It's the tournament directors who are blocking it. Why would they want to block it? They want to put the muzzle or the bridle on Indian Wells or the BNP Paribas Open, so we don't outdistance the tournaments around the world. I can't think of another reason to block it."

The BNP Paribas Open also increased prize money last year, then described as a one-time situation. The money, however, was distributed only from the quarterfinals on.

In the months since, the distribution of prize money, mostly for the lower rounds, has been a rallying point for male players. In response, big tournaments such as the U.S. Open and Australian Open have directed a larger percentage of money at earlier rounds in announcing their purses.

Gilbert said Wednesday the Indian Wells situation was a "joke" and "travesty."

He called for tennis to hire a commissioner to oversee the sport and its various governing bodies, which includes International Tennis Federation. The ITF governs the four majors and the Davis Cup and Fed Cup.

He also said players should form a union.

"The system needs to be blown up and changed," Gilbert added. "Maybe then we can rewrite the bylaws because they are antiquated."
Yay! Larry Ellison won

There WILL be increase in prize miney and the stupid so called tournament-directors (representing other events) who blocked the move are put in their place. It was absurd of the ATP not to overrule the jealous buggers in the first place - how can you refuse the increase of sponsorship money? Such a thing is unheard of in other sports.
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Is his name Tipsarevic?
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