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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #4081
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

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I don't think she should play a tournament before YEC. I'd rather she just practiced straight through, and working on things that need work.

Besides the only tournament she can get a wildcard into is Moscow (the 3 international's all already have a top 10 player entered), and I don't think it would be wise at all to go there the week before Istanbul.
I agree with you that playing Moscow won't be very smart. I was hoping for Linz. So she can get more rythm. But I guess that is not possible.

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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #4082
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

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Yeah the key is to just really look at and learn what went wrong here.

As for her serve, messing with it may create problems but at this point she needs to do something that I think it's worth it. I really think she should work with another coach (like an expert) on that specifically though during the off season. Sumyk is clearly the best for her mentally, but technically she needs help there.

Finally, we have to remember that ALL players go through slumps. Reehanna had several years where people thought she was finished. Ma$ha had her serving yips. The only one I can think of that hasn't is Federer. Even though it's not quite as good as last year, 2013 has still been a very solid year for Vika and we should appreciate that instead of panicking that the Asian swing was a bust.
I think technically Sam is good too, but I am starting to agree with you on the expert part. I certainly believe that she will be back sooner or later and it's pretty impressive that with al the injuries and everything that was/is going on she still beat Serena twice(this year) and they had close matches and will finish No2...I hope she does. I will be very angry if she didn't....she definitely should.
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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #4083
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

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Honestly I'm not that concerned about this loss . Yes, she absolutely threw away the third set, but this tournament really isn't that important and if she's smart she'll learn a lot from this loss. The serve was just weird, like Sharapova-like. Even though she kept missing, she kept going for flat, hard second serves . I think when she's more focused though, like the US Open final, she can help this problem somewhat, but even then double faults can sneak in (like that game in the second set of the US Open final) so she really should add some spin to the second serve.

This year is too bad she's not playing Linz . Some easier matches on indoor courts are just what she needs right now, but Moscow is too soon before so we'll just have to hope for the best in Istanbul.
I love that you are not concerned about this loss,really...
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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 05:42 PM   #4084
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Well her back was part of the injury from Wimbledon and there were rumors after her loss in San Diego that she wasn't completely healed.

I just think that her team need to stop messing her service motion, everytime they do it completely ruins her natural rhythm.
You do know why they are probaly working with her serve. She is stiff when she serves, doesn't put her whole body into it. She has very little forward motion on her serves. I can see why she would have back pains. At the USO, every time they televised her match, one of the commentators, either Nav, Cahill, Evert commented on her poor service motion.
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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #4085
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

Can't say I'm all that surprised by this loss and I'm not really concerned either. I'm sure she was aware that she was not going far in this tournament given her form and lack of preparation. The good thing is she can leave Asia early now and will be well rested for the YEC (plus she doesn't have to keep playing in that horrible smog). The downside could be that she'll lack matchplay at the YEC which, despite possibly being fully fit, could cause her trouble. Let's just wait and see. The thing with her serve is that when she's playing well and is fully focused she actually has a decent serve, as we all know. So maybe she needs a sports psychologist rather than someone working on the technique during the off-season.

Also nice to see how maturely she analyzes her bad matches and losses these days.

PS: Just a random question - when was the last time Redfoo and Vika have been seen together? At some point before the US Open?
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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 06:06 PM   #4086
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PS: Just a random question - when was the last time Redfoo and Vika have been seen together? At some point before the US Open?
He was at Carlsbad. I can't remember if he was at Cincinnati or not. He's in Australia for Australian X Factor, probably not easy for him to keep jetting half way around the world. I don't think he will be in Istanbul either as it clashes with Australian X Factor final.
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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #4087
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

From what Vika says it sounds like she wants the time off to work on her game, not more match play.

I don't imagine she's actually had much time to work on her game all year. All the traditional training block weeks (after Miami and after Wimbledon) were both cut short due to injury. There is a not a lot of work you can do on a tournament week. Now she should have a solid 2 weeks to do some work before Istanbul, it sounds like that is what she wants.
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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #4088
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

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He was at Carlsbad. I can't remember if he was at Cincinnati or not. He's in Australia for Australian X Factor, probably not easy for him to keep jetting half way around the world. I don't think he will be in Istanbul either as it clashes with Australian X Factor final.
Thanks. I know he doesn't have a lot of time because of X Factor. It was just a thought crossing my mind and it made me wonder.
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

I guess i shall be glad i missed that one.

Not sure what is wrong, but i'm sure her team have better chance than me to figure out how to correct it. Perhaps we can't expect good quality play until next season now.

This whole year has been up and down, i wonder if some injury problems started already at the build up training late last year. But still she had some really great results.

Hopefully she is improving already to YEC, i will try and forget this tournament now.
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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 07:09 PM   #4090
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

She lost to Petko so i'm ok with it. I hope she stops playing until YEC, right now her heart 's not really in it, she needs to rest physically and mentally.
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Old Sep 30th, 2013, 07:41 PM   #4091
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

I still think technically she could use some matches, particularly easy ones, as she hasn't had all that many this year. And she'll have the off-season to train.

But, it's understandable that she's mentally exhausted. The summer involved coming back in San Diego, which was a mess, and then Cincinnati, which involved winning ugly (mentally taxing) and then a HUGE effort in the final. The US Open was basically the same as Cincy except an even more taxing final with a tough result. That can't be easy at all, so hopefully some rest will help her be fresh at the YEC.
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

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You do know why they are probaly working with her serve. She is stiff when she serves, doesn't put her whole body into it. She has very little forward motion on her serves. I can see why she would have back pains. At the USO, every time they televised her match, one of the commentators, either Nav, Cahill, Evert commented on her poor service motion.
Conchita Martinez commented on it too, remarking on how she only uses the upper part of her body and how she doesn't flex her legs to push herself up to hit the ball. She's too rigid while she serves, and she wondered if she maybe had some slight injury that was (is) hampering her serve motion.

I had the feeling that she was going to totally flop before this Asian swing started, and frankly, after her awful Wimbledon fall and injury and seeing how she recovered to win Cincy and reach the final in Carlsbad and the USO, I am more than happy with what she's done this so very difficult season, even if she doesn't win a match at the YEC. I am sure that once she sorts out her serve issues and improves her fitness in the off season she'll be fine again. She needs most of all to remain healthy.
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

Does anybody know where I can find her press conference?
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

Here are some Vika's post-match comments: http://www.wtatennis.com/news/articl...nka-in-beijing

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Meanwhile, Azarenka wasn't happy with her performance at all - she talked about it in her presser.
"It was an awful match and a very bad performance from me, so there's not much to say about it," the World No.2 commented. "It happens once, twice a year to every player, and it happened to me today."

Azarenka also lost her first match at last week's Toray Pan Pacific Open in Tokyo, to Venus Williams.
"If I did it all again, I probably should have taken a longer break and prepared myself better. I don't feel like I was ready to play - to be 100%, the preparation wasn't enough, I cannot deny that. It's my mistake for not paying enough attention after the US Open how I managed my time and managed my health.

"But you cannot put yourself down too much. In the end the important thing is how you come out of it. I'm going to go back, re-evaluate and practice more. I just needed more preparation, and that's what I'm going to get now before the last tournament. I'll just look at the positives. I have three weeks now."
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Re: *Vika Azarenka Cheering Thread* - Vikalume 4.

I definitely see why the service motion is tinkered with but it's such a double edged sword. You change the motion to compensate for an injury but at the cost of her rhythm. Either way she's going to double fault a lot or produce weak serves.
It's a lot like Sharapova's shoulder. She changed her motion a number of times to compensate for her shoulder only to be double faulting all over the place and then when she goes back to her original motion she gets back to the top of the game, completes the career grand slam but at the cost of the injury coming back.

Either way, Vika isn't going to win matches with the serve she's got, so her and Sam need to either get this kinks worked out of this motion and/or treat whatever the cause of the weak serves are.
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