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Old Oct 17th, 2012, 12:45 AM   #31
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Re: Which players bring out the best-worst, and make your favorite fight hardest?

Ivanovic brings her best against Jankovic, nearly every time.

CSN always plays Jankovic very hard (probably because she's a much more talented player).

Champs like Benesova and Diyas also tend to go into GOAT form against the Empress. But what can we do? They hit like a man.
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Old Oct 17th, 2012, 08:57 AM   #32
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Re: Which players bring out the best-worst, and make your favorite fight hardest?

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First of all, I wont count the 2008 aus open beatdown cause Lindsay was clearly set for retirement then and that was Peak Pova. But in the other matches, starting from 2004 Wimbledon, Maria has shown that she is the superior player.

You contradicted by saying that Maria played Lindsay when she was 5 or so years past her prime and then you said that Lindsay was at her best during the 2005 IW. First of all, their IW meeting was a freak accident. It was one of those twilight moments in tennis. Even Lindsay has admitted that it was a weird match.

But during 2004-2005, even though Lindsay was old, she was playing exceptional tennis. She ended both years at number 1. She made the Aus open finals and wimbledon finals in 2005 (nearly won both of them). So yes, Lindsay was well playing at her near-best I would say.

And lindsay definitely has the better volleys, but Maria has the better serve (pre-surgery of course), better mentality, and she is a better mover. Maria could easily match Davenport off the ground as well. And Lindsay didn't win RG because she was slow, and her groundstrokes did nothing on the surface. Maria has found a way to move on clay, and she has develop a very effective clay game. And as for your little shade at the end, Maria would have beaten anybody during that tournament
Very well said. But tbh you shouldn't pay attention to that Coketina fan. He has issues.
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Old Oct 17th, 2012, 09:07 AM   #33
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So is that why Davenport only won one match against Maria?
As far Serena's concerned, she's. H2h against Lindsay?! That's a whole other dynamic.
I think Lindsay of '98-'00, '01 even, beats Maria 6 out of 10 times.

The Lindsay of '04 and further, isn't the same Linds that battle with hingis, Vee and Serena.
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Old Oct 17th, 2012, 09:28 AM   #34
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yeah man, I see it the same exact way! It's like she gets this personal satisfaction, it just never stops being fun for Serena...lol. And the sad part is Masha is 100% in tune w.that and it actually messes with her head. It's like back in Oz 2005 she blinked first and Serena's never relinquished that mental edge ever since.
That's why I still get excited about that rivalry. I wonder, what if anything would change if Masha could just beat her once...but obviously I'm hopin we never have to find out..
'05 oz open was all about: getting into Maria's head..remember Serena came back in set two AND set three. Set two Maria served for it, lost serve at love if I'm not mistaken and then went on to lose that set.

Then in set three she gets a lucky letcord to help her break and then goes to serve again. Gets mp's, but then Serena saves two of them with the clutchiest of clutch play ( that forehand return winner...Maria still must be having nightmares of that) and then of course goes on to win the match.

Then came the exclamation point: 6-1 6-2.. at the '07 oz open. That was the BREAK HER SPIRIT match. Maria won only one set since then.


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I was also going to point that out myself....
Linds of '98 - '00, I think wins 6 out of 10 matches against Maria..but of course my comment was more to the dynamic between Maria vs Serena..not Maria vs Linds specifally.. most of the things Maria brings against Serena, Serena already faced them against Linds..only now Maria has a tad bit better mentality and movement..
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As far Serena's concerned, she's. H2h against Lindsay?! That's a whole other dynamic.
I think Lindsay of '98-'00, '01 even, beats Maria 6 out of 10 times.

The Lindsay of '04 and further, isn't the same Linds that battle with hingis, Vee and Serena.
I think Davenport was a better player in 04 and 05 to be honest. She just wasn't clutch at the slams.
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I think Davenport was a better player in 04 and 05 to be honest. She just wasn't clutch at the slams.
She hasn't been clutch since the ascension of the sisters, no?!
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hmm... 6 out of 10 not sure I agree w.that! Back in the day Pova had a much better serve and was way less error prone. They always reminded me of one another so for me it's hard to pick a decisive winner.
Hmm.....you might have a point. Maria probably out-toughs Linds..their matches would probably be close and I think then it becomes a battle of mind and heart. Linds nice chick and all, but she didn't have much heart..certainly not compared to a Maria.
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Old Nov 5th, 2012, 03:31 AM   #38
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Venus

Brings out the worst

Pironkova
Li
Mauresmo
Kerber
Serena (all mental of course)
Jankovic

Brings out the best

Ivanovic
Safina
Pierce
Schiavone
Stosur
Dementieva
Seles
Hantuchova

Makes fight hardest

Serena
Davenport
Hingis
Clijsters
Henin
You look at the listFOf players who bring out her worst and Pironkova sticks out like a sore thumb...just seems so random....lol. But the funny thing is most players have that one oddball opponent who can be troublesome.
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Re: Players who bring out the best and worst in your favorites.

Capriati always brought out the worst tennis in Serena. Somehow made her make 20+ unforced errors in every single set. Serena playing at her usual level would crush Capriati, even in 2001, but for some inexplicable reason always stunk it up vs Jennifer.
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Re: Players who bring out the best and worst in your favorites.

Maria is just like Lindsay Davenport, except Lindsay had much more guile, but Maria has much more mental strength.
Either way, they are/were both cannon fodder for the Queen of Tennis.
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Old Nov 6th, 2012, 05:01 PM   #41
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Zvonareva and Li definitely bring out the best of Sam
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Old Nov 6th, 2012, 06:04 PM   #42
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Re: Players who bring out the best and worst in your favorites.

bring out the best: venus williams

bring out the worst with her deceitful screaming: sharapova
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I think one special player unique to Masha is Anabel Medina Garrigues. Almost every time they play it's a marathon match. I think she falls under the category of playing Maria really tough but Masha always beats her in the end- she really makes her fight for the win though!

And I think u can add Cibulkova to the list of brings out the worst as well..
Haha so true and its frustrating when i see that match up because i know the result will be a long 3 setter to maria's favor


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Old Nov 7th, 2012, 02:16 PM   #44
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Re: Players who bring out the best and worst in your favorites.

Brings out the worst:
Stosur
Pennetta
Aga
Venus
Muguruza Blanco

Brings out the best:
Li
Schiavone
Wozniacki
Petkovic

Makes her fight:
Safarova
Hantuchova
Lisicki
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Serena


Bring out the worst -

Non-slam tournaments
Ivanovic (She gives Serena no rhythm at all with her streaky hack and pray game. Serena's level always drops against her and their matches end up being much closer than they should be)


Bring out the best -


Any top ranked player
A player who has beaten Serena before.
Mauresmo (Serena always loved laying a beatdown on her)


Tough(er) to beat-

Any player with great movement and good offensive capabilities requires that little bit of extra effort to beat. So players like Capriati, Hening, Dementieva, Venus and Graf. We dont really have players who can play great defense and offense anymore.
+ Na in the first category. Another player who gives her no rhythm whatsoever
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