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Old Oct 16th, 2012, 01:36 AM   #16
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Re: Which players bring out the best-worst, and make your favorite fight hardest?

Niculescu brings out the very worse in Safarova...

Then again we're talking faves, not general matchups .
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Aga brought out the best in Beth at AO this year...for part of it at least .
For like a set and a half before the choke set in. Peak Beth would've won the first set before it go to the TB and then shit slapped Aga in the 2nd.
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Old Oct 16th, 2012, 08:38 AM   #19
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Re: Which players bring out the best-worst, and make your favorite fight hardest?

Serena

Which players makes her fight?
Jennifer Capriati...that's it. She's retired, but man..it was always a blood war.
Venus..never easy playing big sis.

Not problematic but can trouble her.
Vika..if Serena's in form, then it's two quick sets...but if her level drops? It WILL get interesting.


I don't believe in the myth that Serena's to be in GOAT mode for her to beat Maria. Maria's Lindsay Davenport-lite, right?! And we saw the h2h between Serena and Linds, so..the h2h between Serena and Maria is exactly how one expects it. Slow hard-hitters against Serena? Good bye!
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Wozniacki
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Radwanska
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Azarenka

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Re: Which players bring out the best-worst, and make your favorite fight hardest?

Serena


Bring out the worst -

Non-slam tournaments
Ivanovic (She gives Serena no rhythm at all with her streaky hack and pray game. Serena's level always drops against her and their matches end up being much closer than they should be)


Bring out the best -


Any top ranked player
A player who has beaten Serena before.
Mauresmo (Serena always loved laying a beatdown on her)


Tough(er) to beat-

Any player with great movement and good offensive capabilities requires that little bit of extra effort to beat. So players like Capriati, Hening, Dementieva, Venus and Graf. We dont really have players who can play great defense and offense anymore.
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Which players makes her fight?
Jennifer Capriati...that's it. She's retired, but man..it was always a blood war.
Venus..never easy playing big sis.
I didn't forget JCap I just wanted to focus on current players. I think if the focus were rivalries then I would 100% agree that it begins and ends with Jen, she's her number one rival. But the focus here isn't rivalries it's more about players and more specifically, the patterns that seem to be most prevalent with regards to how our favorites play against certain players.

Of the current players playing now Jankovic's record can't be ignored. She's virtually tied with Serena in their H2H, and although she may be a 'has-been' now, she's got one of the all time best winning percentages against Rena. If they were never to play again, history would look back on this rivalry as one that was tougher than most for Rena.


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Not problematic but can trouble her.
Vika..if Serena's in form, then it's two quick sets...but if her level drops? It WILL get interesting.
I think Vikas potential to be problematic for Rena is HUGE, but in actuality Serena currently has such a mental hold over her Vika that she's yet to prove to be a real threat. In addition to having a better all around game, Serena plays Vika with a lot of extra motivation. Ever since Vika put a scare into Williams at Australia a few years back, Serena's approached her more intently. I also think the Miami loss gave Serena even more motivation against her- and as if that wasn't enough, u have Vika's awesome year and her number one status all year; that's the kind of motivation that's mouth watering for Rena.

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I don't believe in the myth that Serena's to be in GOAT mode for her to beat Maria. Maria's Lindsay Davenport-lite, right?! And we saw the h2h between Serena and Linds, so..the h2h between Serena and Maria is exactly how one expects it. Slow hard-hitters against Serena? Good bye!
I mostly agree. Especially the points that slow hard hitters aren't much of a concern for Serena. But if ur implying that Serena plays Masha like she does other people then I woukd respectfully disagree with you. I think its evident and easy to see that Serena is extra motivated against Pova. We can pretend that Serena lives in a bubble and never thinks of Masha, but the truth is Serena is more focused and determined than she is against most other players- for whatever reasons. Sharapova has commented on it herself- and I agree with her.
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Old Oct 16th, 2012, 01:41 PM   #23
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I didn't forget JCap I just wanted to focus on current players. I think if the focus were rivalries then I would 100% agree that it begins and ends with Jen, she's her number one rival. But the focus here isn't rivalries it's more about players and more specifically, the patterns that seem to be most prevalent with regards to how our favorites play against certain players.

Of the current players playing now Jankovic's record can't be ignored. She's virtually tied with Serena in their H2H, and although she may be a 'has-been' now, she's got one of the all time best winning percentages against Rena. If they were never to play again, history would look back on this rivalry as one that was tougher than most for Rena.
Indeed. Jankovic was Jennifer lite...and when Serena was Serena-lite, then well...

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!I think Vikas potential to be problematic for Rena is HUGE, but in actuality Serena currently has such a mental hold over her Vika that she's yet to prove to be a real threat. In addition to having a better all around game, Serena plays Vika with a lot of extra motivation. Ever since Vika put a scare into Williams at Australia a few years back, Serena's approached her more intently. I also think the Miami loss gave Serena even more motivation against her- and as if that wasn't enough, u have Vika's awesome year and her number one status all year; that's the kind of motivation that's mouth watering for Rena.
I didn't mean it in the: oh walk in the park-kinda way. I said it mostly in the: Serena has Vika figured out and most of the time she's motivated to beat her.


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!I mostly agree. Especially the points that slow hard hitters aren't much of a concern for Serena. But if ur implying that Serena plays Masha like she does other people then I woukd respectfully disagree with you. I think its evident and easy to see that Serena is extra motivated against Pova. We can pretend that Serena lives in a bubble and never thinks of Masha, but the truth is Serena is more focused and determined than she is against most other players- for whatever reasons. Sharapova has commented on it herself- and I agree with her.
Maria's the ultimate: 'this is gonna be soooooooo much fun, beating this girl around and rubbing it in their faces'- opponent Serena's ever had. The media foolishly picked Masha as the next big thing and superior to Serena...despite the weaknesses in Maria's game being obviously there.

So since then Serena's not only make it her goal to beat Serena..but not just BEAT her, no..she wants to DESTROY her AND make it look easy. Serena on revenge-mode?! Nothing sweeter.
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Re: Which players bring out the best-worst, and make your favorite fight hardest?

the player who brings out the best is... Aga, and we all know why!
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Re: Which players bring out the best-worst, and make your favorite fight hardest?

Havent looked at anyone elses:

For Vika:
Bring out the best:
Sharapova
Aga
Romanians!
Germans!

Bring out the worst:
Serena half the time
Caro
Dani
Recently Domi
Previously Ana
Vera? (although half the time Vika brings out the worst in Vera).

Make her fight:
Serena half the time
Petrova


For Kvitty:
Bring out the best:
Vika
Dani
Lil Masha

Bring out the worst:
Big Masha
Vera
Bartoli (sometimes)
Na (sometimes)
Anyone who can make a few balls.

Make her fight:
Serena

Its amazing how Petra is almost the antithesis of Vika (and that i love them both despite that!)
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I don't believe in the myth that Serena's to be in GOAT mode for her to beat Maria. Maria's Lindsay Davenport-lite, right?! And we saw the h2h between Serena and Linds, so..the h2h between Serena and Maria is exactly how one expects it. Slow hard-hitters against Serena? Good bye!
So is that why Davenport only won one match against Maria?
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For Vika:
Brings out the best:
Sharapova
Aga
Romanians!
Germans!

Bring out the worst:
Serena half the time
Caro
Dani
Recently Domi
Previously Ana
Vera? (although half the time Vika brings out the worst in Vera).

Makes her fight:
Serena half the time
Petrova
Just a few to add on to ur list:
Brings out the best:
Safarova
Stosur

Makes her Fight:
Cibulkova- probably the bext example for Vika of an opponent that makes her fight to get the win!
Bartoli
Li Na- w.a tied h2h u can't say Vika always wins, although lately it seems that Vika has got her number, but she still makes her fight!

And good call on mentioning both Zvonereva and Petrova!

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Maria's the ultimate: 'this is gonna be soooooooo much fun, beating this girl around and rubbing it in their faces'- opponent Serena's ever had. The media foolishly picked Masha as the next big thing and superior to Serena...despite the weaknesses in Maria's game being obviously there.

So since then Serena's not only make it her goal to beat Serena..but not just BEAT her, no..she wants to DESTROY her AND make it look easy. Serena on revenge-mode?! Nothing sweeter.
yeah man, I see it the same exact way! It's like she gets this personal satisfaction, it just never stops being fun for Serena...lol. And the sad part is Masha is 100% in tune w.that and it actually messes with her head. It's like back in Oz 2005 she blinked first and Serena's never relinquished that mental edge ever since.
That's why I still get excited about that rivalry. I wonder, what if anything would change if Masha could just beat her once...but obviously I'm hopin we never have to find out..

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Indeed. Jankovic was Jennifer lite...and when Serena was Serena-lite, then well...
I like that, "Jennifer lite"- never thought of it like that, but ur right

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So is that why Davenport only won one match against Maria?
I was also going to point that out myself....
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So is that why Davenport only won one match against Maria?
All of their matches were played when Lindsay was roughly 5 or more years past her best tennis and Maria was in her "prime" (or whatever that means because Vulturepova has always played at roughly the same level). Still they were all close three-setters, except for Lindsay's "retirement tour" match, and oh yeah that double-bagel she force-fed Maria That match shows what would happen if those two played each other when Lindsay was at her best.

Anyone who has been watching tennis long enough to see both Lindsay and Maria win slams would know that Lindsay has a WAY better serve, INFINITELY better forehand, a superior backhand, and ENDLESSLY better touch/volleys. There is no competition there, she was just a much better player period. Oh yeah I guess Lindsay never won RG, but she would have had to beat champions to do so, not Sara Errani
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All of their matches were played when Lindsay was roughly 5 or more years past her best tennis and Maria was in her "prime" (or whatever that means because Vulturepova has always played at roughly the same level). Still they were all close three-setters, except for Lindsay's "retirement tour" match, and oh yeah that double-bagel she force-fed Maria That match shows what would happen if those two played each other when Lindsay was at her best.

Anyone who has been watching tennis long enough to see both Lindsay and Maria win slams would know that Lindsay has a WAY better serve, INFINITELY better forehand, a superior backhand, and ENDLESSLY better touch/volleys. There is no competition there, she was just a much better player period. Oh yeah I guess Lindsay never won RG, but she would have had to beat champions to do so, not Sara Errani
First of all, I wont count the 2008 aus open beatdown cause Lindsay was clearly set for retirement then and that was Peak Pova. But in the other matches, starting from 2004 Wimbledon, Maria has shown that she is the superior player.

You contradicted by saying that Maria played Lindsay when she was 5 or so years past her prime and then you said that Lindsay was at her best during the 2005 IW. First of all, their IW meeting was a freak accident. It was one of those twilight moments in tennis. Even Lindsay has admitted that it was a weird match.

But during 2004-2005, even though Lindsay was old, she was playing exceptional tennis. She ended both years at number 1. She made the Aus open finals and wimbledon finals in 2005 (nearly won both of them). So yes, Lindsay was well playing at her near-best I would say.

And lindsay definitely has the better volleys, but Maria has the better serve (pre-surgery of course), better mentality, and she is a better mover. Maria could easily match Davenport off the ground as well. And Lindsay didn't win RG because she was slow, and her groundstrokes did nothing on the surface. Maria has found a way to move on clay, and she has develop a very effective clay game. And as for your little shade at the end, Maria would have beaten anybody during that tournament
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Sharapova would have beaten anybody? Right, because her level of play was something no woman has ever achieved on a clay court Erranni is the weakest Slam finalist in the history of tennis. THE HISTORY OF TENNIS.

Also what I said about Davenport is not a contradiction. Her peak was between 1998-2000. Although she played well in late 2004 and early 2005, her power game was not as explosive and her mentality was way weaker than it was a few years prior. I don't care if she was ranked #1, Wozniacki was ranked #1, big deal. Also just because someone isn't at their "peak" doesn't mean they can't still play a great match, such as IW '05. Look at Serena, she is not the Serena of 2002 but she can still kill her opponents 6-1 6-0 in huge finals Or Hingis, who was retired for years, came back playing like crap, but still managed to beat one of the "best" in under an hour in a T1 final The list of examples goes on, a player can still summon great tennis even if they're past their peak.

Lindsay was also a HUGE choker by the time she started playing Maria, a problem she didn't have during her best days. That massive choke against Maria would have never happened in 1999 when she beat Steffi fucking Graf in a Wimbledon FINAL. Maria would have been done and dusted. As it stands, she is fortunate to have scraped by Lindsay when she did, because there is no doubt in my mind Lindsay does EVERYTHING better than Maria. Everything -- except for movement, but comparing the two slowest top players in the game is worthless. Sharapova is nothing but a poor man's Davenport. She is more opportunistic certainly, having mastered the art of vulturing.
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