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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 10:43 AM   #16
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

I don't think "must win" is a realistic term for Sabine at the moment. but I'm sure everyone is hoping for a much improved performance this time. Under "normal circumstances" Mandy wouldn't be a problem, but Sabine hasn't visited there for a while now (and doesn't stay there long when she does) so it's hard to approach this match with a huge amount of confidence. I'm very hopeful though, and if some of what she showed against Vika can reappear I'll be much happier.

Venus in r2 is another story. She can have bad days with her auto-immune problems, but I like her and won't be wishing for that should Sabine get that far. Anyway, one game at a time....
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #17
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

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(5)Sabine Lisicki (GER) vs (wc)Mandy Minella (LUX)

This is a must win.
So ein Schwachsinn Als kann man in der momentanen Verfassung von Sabine einen Sieg ganz fest erwarten, fast egal gegen wen.
Das schreibst du nur um nach einer Niederlage wieder deine bekannten Dinge zu schreiben und dann wirkt das natürlich alles glaubhaft weil es ja vorher wie ein Pflichtsieg schien

Würde mich ja freuen wenn du einmal recht behälst und sie gewinnen sollte.
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #18
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

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So ein Schwachsinn Als kann man in der momentanen Verfassung von Sabine einen Sieg ganz fest erwarten, fast egal gegen wen.
Irgendwann braucht sie die Punkte, denn wenn sie hier nicht gewinnen sollte, dann drohen Azarenka, Williams, Sharapova oder Kerber und zwar in der 1.Runde der Australian Open. Lisicki hat noch 165 Punkte in dieser Saison zu verteidigen.
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 11:43 AM   #19
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

Alle Spieler brauchen Punkte, das ist ja nix neues.

Von einem Pflichtsieg zu sprechen ist in Sabine's momentaner Verfassung aber wenig hilfreich. Sicher ist sie auf dem Papier die klare Favoritin aber wenn man sich die Form der letzten Monate anschaut verschwimmt das schon ein bisschen.

Minella hat bei den USO immerhin R3 erreicht, zur Zeit ist sie 78. im Ranking, also schon eine andere Hausnummer als Achleitner. Ein Sieg wäre wichtig aber grundsätzlich ist sicherlich gut bei Sabine im Moment so wenig wie möglich zu erwarten.
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 12:00 PM   #20
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

Minella ist aber eines der einfacheren Lose. Sie hätte auch V.Williams gleich in R1 bekommen können.
Leichte Auslosung muss man nutzen, denn aonsten braucht man bei richtig schweren Auslosungen auch nicht jammern.
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 12:07 PM   #21
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

I wish this time in a clear victory in a match played with safety and authority, but unfortunately we know that it will not, considering the current moment of Sabine. However, I still have hope because anything could happen and maybe this time it might work everything.
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 12:16 PM   #22
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Minella ist aber eines der einfacheren Lose. Sie hätte auch V.Williams gleich in R1 bekommen können.
Leichte Auslosung muss man nutzen, denn aonsten braucht man bei richtig schweren Auslosungen auch nicht jammern.
Sicher ist das so, aber denkst du echt zur Zeit ist Sabine so klar favorisiert das von einem "must win" geschrieben werden muss?

Na Sabine jammert mit Sicherheit nicht, wenn sie schwere Auslosungen bekommt, das tun dann wir hier meistens

Edit: Und du wirst uns dann sicher wieder daran erinnern, dass sie es sich ja hätte leichter machen können bei Siegen in vermeintlich einfacheren Auslosungen/ ersten Runden, um bei den gesetzten Spielern zu sein, stimmts?
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

just saw, she lost the last match against Minella, so it won't be easy at all....
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #24
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

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Na Sabine jammert mit Sicherheit nicht, wenn sie schwere Auslosungen bekommt, das tun dann wir hier meistens
Die werden auch schneller kommen als man schauen kann. Schließlich hat sie in Melbourne die 4.Runde zu verteidigen was als Ungesetzte dann doch ziemlich schwer werden wird. Im Worst Case ist ein Platz um 50 im Ranking Anfang Februar durchaus möglich.
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

Mal angenommen sie gewinnt nix mehr, wo steht sie denn dann im Ranking genau ?

Bzw. hilft ein Erstrundensieg denn überhaupt noch ?
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 01:15 PM   #26
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Mal angenommen sie gewinnt nix mehr, wo steht sie denn dann im Ranking genau ?

Bzw. hilft ein Erstrundensieg denn überhaupt noch ?
Am Jahresende: ca. 35
Nach Melbourne: ca. 55

Ja, ein Sieg könnte schon helfen, denn da liegen alle sehr eng beieinander und es ist schon ein Unterschied, ob man in Melbourne jetzt gesetzt oder nicht gesetzt sein wird. Kann natürlich sein, dass ein Sieg nicht reichen wird. Wäre vielleicht auch mal besser, wenn sie z.B. eines der neuen Challenger-Turniere spielen würde.
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 01:17 PM   #27
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

das ist ja eh klar, aber einige verschließen noch die Augen davor das das dann doch Sau schwer werden kann.

Glaube kaum das sie das machen wird, bzw. dieses Jahr geht in der Hinsicht eh nicht mehr.

Mal abwarten,mehr kann man eh nicht tun
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 02:06 PM   #28
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

Naja, wäre auf jeden Fall besser , Punkte hin oder her, wenn sie hier noch einmal ein Match gewinnen würde.
Also die Saison mit Niederlagen gegen Mayr-A. und Minella zu beenden, das wäre jetzt nicht so toll.
Und wie gesagt, wenn sie jetzt eine Spielerin wäre die solche Rückschläge sofort wegstecken könnte und nächstes Jahr sofort aus dem Training heraus wieder Topleistung zeigen könnte, dann wäre das alles kein Problem, aber daran glaube ich nicht wirklich...würde mich hier natürlich gerne täuschen!
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

"So a nonsense as can expect a victory firmly in the current Constitution of Sabine, almost no matter against whom.At some point, she need the points, because if she here should not win, then Clijsters, Williams, Sharapova or Kerber threaten in the 1.Runde of the Australian Open. Lisicki has to defend still 165 points this season."
mk27 as interpreted by Bing Translator (and is directed at Bing translator, not mk27).

I include this translation of a quote to show how language differences can lead to misunderstanding (although this one was rather humorous). When I first read the Bing translation I started to reply to mk27 inquiring how Sabine could face Clijsters in the 2013 Australian Open. Has she already come out of retirement? Luckily I read mk27's original message before replying and noticed that Bing translator has somehow translated "Azarenka" as "Clijsters". Either Bing got confused or is not the biggest tennis fan

My only disagreement with mk27 is that I think she needs to focus on her game before she worries about points. Bolletieri has stated that the pressure of defending points has led to much of her problems this year. While I don't think Sabine's main concern is ranking points, I do think that she has been stressed by trying to live up to expectations. Sure, she may face a top player in round 1 of the AO, but she seems to have always had an easier time being the David rather than the Goliath. In 2011 she constantly stated that she was more concerned with the process and improving each day rather than the results. Without the expectations of certain results, she was able to relax and get her game to the level where, as seen at Dallas, she not only beat players she should beat, but smashed them like bugs.
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Old Oct 14th, 2012, 02:26 PM   #30
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Re: BGL BNP PARIBAS, Luxembourg 2012

Es hat sich wohl was am Draw geändert: Flipkens - Lisicki. Macht die Sache nicht gerade einfacher.
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