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Old Oct 11th, 2012, 01:46 AM   #106
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Old Oct 11th, 2012, 03:51 AM   #107
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I think Venus is/was a better overall athlete than Serena (as hard as that may be for some to believe). And her serve was out of this world. Her net rushing, backhand wasn't too shabby either. Great player, great skills; great athlete.

However, Serena had a better combination of mind, skills and athleticism than her sister did during a game, tournament and career

But yet, Venus's potential peak, was scary as hell. And she is/was probably the best athlete, ever (when you incorporate her size, wingspan, power and athleticism) in the WTA.

Scary as hell indeed. But better than Peak, Serena? Come on now (not when there's such a big disparity in career grand slams, especially when Serena beat her sister in so many of them).
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Serena just has more control over her game. Way too consistent for Venus. Venus may be more explosive and athletic, but she explodes too much.... GAME OVER!
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I don't believe we've seen peak Serena. Put Serena's movement and groundstrokes from 2002 with her serve today and she is unstoppable. However, most people think Peak Serena is 2002 Serena.

Peak Venus did not have the net game she currently has but had better movement.

It'd be hard to say but I think Serena's serve would be the difference. Even at 6'2 and with Vee's reach and athleticism, Serena's serve is too much.
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Can someone point out to me matches with Venus at her peak. We have seen Serena absolutely crush top players.....where are those matches for Venus. When was Venus in scary form?
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I'm not remotely picking Venus in this battle, but people calling her overrated...

2001. The last three tournaments of her season, she won. Sixteen matches. In those sixteen matches, she beat nine top ten players, and lost only one set.

6-2 6-2 vs. Tauziat (San Diego)
6-2 6-3 vs. Seles (San Diego)
6-3 6-1 vs. Clijsters (New York)
6-4 6-2 vs. Capriati (New York)
6-2 6-4 vs. Serena (New York)

Those/These look pretty convincing to me.

2002:

6-3 6-2 vs. Henin (Wimbledon)
6-3 6-3 vs. Clijsters (Stanford)
6-2 6-1 vs. Davenport (San Diego)
6-2 6-2 vs. Dokic (San Diego)
6-2 6-3 vs. Seles (New York)

2003:

6-3 6-3 vs. Henin (Melbourne)

2007:

6-1 6-3 vs. Sharapova (Wimbledon)

2009:

6-1 6-0 vs. Safina (Wimbledon)
6-0 6-1 vs. Dementieva (Stanford)

People trying to act like Venus is some local.
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While those matches may look great on paper, the only one that I thought Venus was in shocking form was against Davenport in SanDiego, against the Russians. All those other matches featured Venus going on walkabout.
Really? I remember being in awe against Safina. And there's a highlight of the 6-2 6-3 win over Seles where a commentator said nobody would have been able to touch Venus on that day.

These are just matches where scorelines were convincing. But there were many matches where Venus was playing "peak" and where other players won more games. I think that Azarenka Dubai match was an example. I'm not saying she's better than Serena, but she's not a seven-time GS winner for nothing.
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Really? I remember being in awe against Safina. And there's a highlight of the 6-2 6-3 win over Seles where a commentator said nobody would have been able to touch Venus on that day.

These are just matches where scorelines were convincing. But there were many matches where Venus was playing "peak" and where other players won more games. I think that Azarenka Dubai match was an example. I'm not saying she's better than Serena, but she's not a seven-time GS winner for nothing.
As a player overall, Serena > Venus, but Peak Venus> Peak Serenka
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As a player overall, Serena > Venus, but Peak Venus> Peak Serenka
What does "peak" even mean?

Are we looking at peak points? Because then the match would never end because both Venus and Serena's peak serves are aces and the entire match would have hundreds of aces and never, ever end.

If Serena's overall game is better, then how could her peak not be better? She's got the better serve and return, which is huge in big babe tennis. Venus' serve faulters quicker, she'd lose those easy points. She's also not as mentally tough. Where's your logic? And what does 'Serenka' mean?
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Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

I love them both to bits and would die to see them play anywhere remotely close to their best once more ;(


Biggest difference when they were at their peaks was in their forehand (and second serve), which made Serena the better player.

Venus just couldn't dictate the play as consistently as Serena could with her forehand (which was and still is extremely versatile). Even when returning serve, Venus used to dump way too many forehand returns into the net. Both of them covered the court magnificently, making Venus run to her forehand was a safer option than making Serena run to her forehand.

Venus is faster, by not necessarily a better defender. Serena has more options with her nasty cc angles and topspin heavy shots when on the run

At the end, in a matchup like this it all comes down to who can take the charge first, and with her superior forehand and serve, he answer is Serena. Tennis is about matchups as well, and Serena matches up fantastically against hard hitters. Peak Serena win 7/10 times .

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Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

Personally, I always believed that Venus is the better "pure tennis player" of the two, that's just MY personal opinion. However, I believe that Venus at her peak can beat basically anyone except peak Serena. In my honest opinion she even at 32 has still not overcome that mental hurdle to smack her around in matches, she always sees her "sister" on the other side of net and not another "opponent."
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