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Old Oct 8th, 2012, 12:56 PM   #241
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Re: Why does Vika hate Maria so much?

I guessed you missed all the overreaction after Sharapova spanked Kerber.
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Old Oct 8th, 2012, 01:07 PM   #242
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I guessed you missed all the overreaction after Sharapova spanked Kerber.
Yeah for sure there was an overreaction, and also unrealistic to think that she would be able to maintain that level of play in other rounds. But I still think it is a textbook example of what Maria tries to bring to the table in the matchup against Azarenka. Had she of played the final with the same form from that match against Kerber, I think it would have been very interesting to see. But when anyone has 'one of those days' it's going to warrant hype. It's happened times this year with other players as well.
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Re: Why does Vika hate Maria so much?

Peak Sharapova didn't do anything differently than she does now, si?

She didn't have a different game plan, si?

She served a little better, but Vika is still in the top 2 on the returning aspect of the game, si?

Maria would have lost then as well. Peak Sharapova is NOT infallible. Not even close.



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Yeah for sure there was an overreaction, and also unrealistic to think that she would be able to maintain that level of play in other rounds. But I still think it is a textbook example of what Maria tries to bring to the table in the matchup against Azarenka. Had she of played the final with the same form from that match against Kerber, I think it would have been very interesting to see. But when anyone has 'one of those days' it's going to warrant hype. It's happened times this year with other players as well.
Girl stop. That Kerber match reaction was a push and pull thing. Kerber being overrated herself and then the scoreline Shazza beat her by made it even more of an overreaction.

They are not the same type of player, so simply saying if Sharapova played the same way she did against Kerber means absolutely nothing.
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Peak Sharapova didn't do anything differently than she does now, si?

She didn't have a different game plan, si?

She served a little better, but Vika is still in the top 2 on the returning aspect of the game, si?

Maria would have lost then as well. Peak Sharapova is NOT infallible. Not even close.



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She did a lot different and it's ridiculously naive of you to insist otherwise. Her groundstrokes, serve, consistency (***), depth + pace of shot, and confidence were at their absolute supreme in 06. She would literally be able to take good form from one match to the next consistently. That's been the biggest thing over the past few years for her, we see a fantastic performance from her and the next round she reaches double digits in double faults etc...

I'm not suggesting she'd beat Azarenka in her peak but I'm certainly not pretending nor assuming she wouldn't like you - because...you would have absolutely no idea
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Girl stop. That Kerber match reaction was a push and pull thing. Kerber being overrated herself and then the scoreline Shazza beat her by made it even more of an overreaction.

They are not the same type of player, so simply saying if Sharapova played the same way she did against Kerber means absolutely nothing.
Definitely, Sharapova only appeared to be in worse form against Azarenka because Azarenka was not feeding Pova easy balls that she could easily finish, unlike Kerber.
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Girl stop. That Kerber match reaction was a push and pull thing. Kerber being overrated herself and then the scoreline Shazza beat her by made it even more of an overreaction.

They are not the same type of player, so simply saying if Sharapova played the same way she did against Kerber means absolutely nothing.
You clearly don't understand what I am saying

I'm not talking about scoreline or opponent directly, I'm talking about her winner to UE ratio and ability to paint the lines on that particular day. Surely even you, in your armchair, would admit that Maria had a 'good day' (assuming you watched - probably didn't).

That's exactly what she NEEDS/INTENDS to do against Azarenka - she needs to consistently paint the lines and keep her error count low to win on HARDCOURTS. Is it possible YES, is it likely NO, have we seen it YES.

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Definitely, Sharapova only appeared to be in worse form against Azarenka because Azarenka was not feeding Pova easy balls that she could easily finish, unlike Kerber.
I actually lost count of the number of putaways Maria missed - that of course doesn't matter nor change the result. But I am 99.99999% sure that you weren't looking out for that sort of thing. Consult the errors as well - half of the points Azarenka won in the first set were gifted from Maria in errors, and I can assure you that most of them were certainly not forced.

So there is no mirage here Far from it. It is in fact pretty simple - she wasn't able to execute that gamestyle on the day...which, as I have said, is likely to be the case 8 or 9 times out of 10 anyway.
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Lachy is a sad mess. I'll pray for shim.

*and btw, Azarenka wasn't even playing that well. Sharapova wasn't in peak form and neither was Azarenka. The score still remains 6-3 6-1 Ad Azarenka. :nextthat:
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Lachy is a sad mess. I'll pray for shim.

*and btw, Azarenka wasn't even playing that well. Sharapova wasn't in peak form and neither was Azarenka. The score still remains 6-3 6-1 Ad Azarenka. :nextthat:
Having an informed discussion is clearly above you.

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Mashabators = officially the most annoying fanbase of 2012 Too bad for the few decent Maria fans (yes there are some )that 90% of the others are a total embarrassement.
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Having an informed discussion is clearly above you.

Fair enough.
Yet, you have nothing to say about the latter part of that post. Okay.
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Yet, you have nothing to say about the latter part of that post. Okay.
What is there to say? I mean go look at the unforced error tally and then come back and tell me if she needed to play that well to win the match. Like how hard it is to understand that?
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I actually lost count of the number of putaways Maria missed - that of course doesn't matter nor change the result. But I am 99.99999% sure that you weren't looking out for that sort of thing. Consult the errors as well - half of the points Azarenka won in the first set were gifted from Maria in errors, and I can assure you that most of them were certainly not forced.
The pressure to finish an easy ball against Azarenka was much higher than it was against Kerber since she didn't get those on nearly every occasion.
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The pressure to finish an easy ball against Azarenka was much higher than it was against Kerber since she didn't get those on nearly every occasion.
I agree with you that there are a lot of other factors involved. I'm just saying that to beat Azarenka on hardcourts, in her current form, she needs to have a 'good day' similar to that when she played Kerber - low unforced errors, painting lines, hitting with consistent depth. She knows it, Thomas evidently told her to go and try and hit through Azarenka. It's a low percentage, high-risk gameplan with potential reward - that's just the fact of the matter at the moment. Wouldn't have always been the case but it's 2012....
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