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Old Oct 6th, 2012, 03:36 AM   #46
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

what about when someone retired down MP
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Old Oct 6th, 2012, 04:41 AM   #47
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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what about when someone retired down MP
Do you mean Sugiyama def. Cibulkova 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 5-3 (40-0) ret.
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Old Oct 6th, 2012, 05:35 AM   #48
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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I remember a match in Bag Gastein 2010

Sevastova def. Halep 5-7 6-1 5-0 ret.

Halep just went to her bench, took her bag and went away
Wasn't it on match point as well?
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Old Oct 6th, 2012, 06:19 AM   #49
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

so much for the self proclaimed great player. 1.5 bagel is some good humble breakfast.
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Old Oct 6th, 2012, 06:33 AM   #50
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

Cibulkova retired down 6-4 *4-1 40-0 to Shvedova the other day

And in 2008 she retired when losing to Sugiyama 6-7(4) 7-6(5) *5-3 40-0 3MPs
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Old Oct 6th, 2012, 08:47 AM   #51
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

Yeah, a lot of players retire from this tournament lateyly... weird ?
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Old Oct 6th, 2012, 09:36 AM   #52
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Serena usually withdraws or tanks when she sees that Maria is playing well enough to give her a beatdown. Like she did in Rome and Australian Open this year.
serena usually tanks when she see maria on her draw to avoid another beatdown
believe it or not serena is actually nice
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Old Oct 6th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #53
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Hingis was on her way to finishing off Serena with a tasty bagel in their Canadian Open match when Serena "retired" with a fake injury

i'm pretty sure serena was up 6-0 3-0 when she injured herself, lost 9 games in a row and retired, not quite the spin you put on it
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Old Oct 6th, 2012, 12:29 PM   #57
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Cibulkova retired down 6-4 *4-1 40-0 to Shvedova the other day

And in 2008 she retired when losing to Sugiyama 6-7(4) 7-6(5) *5-3 40-0 3MPs
She's pathetic, I don't know how can anyone like that gross midget
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

The consensus in this thread seems to be that it is ignoble to quit when suffering a beating. There is obviously a mental element in this sport and such factor varies in every player as we are all unique. If one believes one cannot win then ergo one will not win. The most startlingly example of this hypothesis has to be the 1988 FO finals. Prior to the match in an interview Natalia Zvereva averred she had no chance against Steffi Graf. And lo and behold not only was it 6-0, 6-0 for Steffi, but this match lasted only 32 minutes- I repeat 32 minutes less time than an average competitive set minus even a tie breaker. Natalia won only 14 points in toto.

So I suggest it is fairer to the spectators that a player does retire when she is not mentally there and the withdrawal is as legitimate as say a broken ankle. I recall in a men’s 2nd round match in either the ’11 or ’10 AO (I forget which) where Tipsarevic did not convert several MPS during the 4th set, and his opponent (a Spaniard I think Verdasco) forced a tie-breaker. From then on Tipsarevic obviously mentally beaten, offered no competition. He did not attempt to return any of Verdasco’s serves nor did he attempt to win any points on his own serve as he lost the 4th set tie breaker 7-0 and the fifth set 6-0. BTW that set was not a golden set as Verdasco inexplicitly double faulted some serves- maybe purposely to antagonize his opponent further.

The bottom line is that I think Kerber’s withdrawal of a match she was not going to win is a more admirable decision than continuing to play and offer only token competition.
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Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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The consensus in this thread seems to be that it is ignoble to quit when suffering a beating. There is obviously a mental element in this sport and such factor varies in every player as we are all unique. If one believes one cannot win then ergo one will not win. The most startlingly example of this hypothesis has to be the 1988 FO finals. Prior to the match in an interview Natalia Zvereva averred she had no chance against Steffi Graf. And lo and behold not only was it 6-0, 6-0 for Steffi, but this match lasted only 32 minutes- I repeat 32 minutes less time than an average competitive set minus even a tie breaker. Natalia won only 14 points in toto.

So I suggest it is fairer to the spectators that a player does retire when she is not mentally there and the withdrawal is as legitimate as say a broken ankle. I recall in a men’s 2nd round match in either the ’11 or ’10 AO (I forget which) where Tipsarevic did not convert several MPS during the 4th set, and his opponent (a Spaniard I think Verdasco) forced a tie-breaker. From then on Tipsarevic obviously mentally beaten, offered no competition. He did not attempt to return any of Verdasco’s serves nor did he attempt to win any points on his own serve as he lost the 4th set tie breaker 7-0 and the fifth set 6-0. BTW that set was not a golden set as Verdasco inexplicitly double faulted some serves- maybe purposely to antagonize his opponent further.

The bottom line is that I think Kerber’s withdrawal of a match she was not going to win is a more admirable decision than continuing to play and offer only token competition.
absolutely tired Sharapova after her shoulder surgery and after 4 tough 3 setters at Roland Garros didn't retire being 0-6 0-5 behind vs Cibulkova ... She struggled to the end and finished 0-6 2-6 .....

That's why Kerber is 24 y.o with only 2 WTA titles , whereas Sharapova 27 titles including 4 Slams at 25 y.o
Angie to become a real top player should bear in mind that a match is over only if Game, set, match announced or if her doctor forbids her to continue
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The bottom line is that I think Kerber’s withdrawal of a match she was not going to win is a more admirable decision than continuing to play and offer only token competition.
Hmm . . an interesting viewpoint. Well explained too. I see your point but . . .I dunno . .I guess I expect any top player to keep believing that they can at least get on the board. Unless they started the match feeling less than healthy but thinking that they'd play through it.
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