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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 06:25 PM   #1
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Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

Congratulations to Nadia for her match today. It shows how much of an underachiever she has been because of her mental issues. She has had many good players on the ropes before imploding. Dementieva had a more consistent career but was similarly mentally weak in big moments. My question is, considering that Kuznetsova is just as big a headcase as the other two, how did she manage to win two slams? To me all three have similar levels of talent and mental weakness.
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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 06:27 PM   #2
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

She played Dementieva and Safina in her slam finals, so it was a bit of a crapshoot. Someone had to win those.

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1) She also had a higher peak level than either of them. When she keys it in and moves and times her shots, she probably has the most complete and lethal game of the three. Dementieva's serve was always a bit of a liability even in the best of times, and Nadia's forehand and movement are a bit wonky.
2) She won her first slam as a fearless 19 year-old playing with no pressure, and got that monkey off her back pretty early, before she could look back and reflect on the magnitude of the occasion.
3) Her mental weakness is exaggerated. She just has risky and unclever shot selection most of the time. Looks good on the rare occasions she makes them, but is read as "mental weakness" when she doesn't. People just fail to accept this is part of her game.
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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 06:29 PM   #3
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

Because she is a better player than them.
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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 06:29 PM   #4
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

Her 2 slams are, sorry, but flukes slams I remember...
She just took slams no one other was willing to take.
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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #5
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

When she was on, her game was better than the other two.
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

I personally think her and Petrova has a better game than Dementieva. And Kuznetsova is not that much of a mental case if you are comparing her to Petrova. so Kuzy > Dementieva game wise and Kuzy > Petrova mental toughness wise.
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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 06:35 PM   #7
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

Her highest level of play is superior to both Dementieva and Petrova, despite a similar (if not slightly weaker) mentality.
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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #8
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

Because she is better. The only thing Petrova has over her is the serve and Dementieva has the movement. When she's on she's the best Russian after Sharapova, which is reflected in the slam count.

Dementieva herself is probably the #3 Russian with Myskina and Safina rounding out the top five. Sorry Nadia.
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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 06:50 PM   #9
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

I really have no idea. I don't think her PEAK is better than Dementieva's or Petrova's in particular. It sounds weird but I think she was just "luckier", "had the better day", whatever, I mean she can play so well but the same goes for Elena and Nadia.
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

Despite her 2 slams and over 5 years in top 10, I think Kuznetsova is an underachiever. Petrova is also an underachiever, but to a lesser extent I think.

Dementieva's achievements reflect more or less what she was capable of.
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Her 2 slams are, sorry, but flukes slams I remember...
She just took slams no one other was willing to take.


Sveta, more talented IMO.

Dementieva was a serious, dedicated, hard-worker and that is where I think her success mostly comes from. While Sveta had a lot of talent but often seems like she doesn't want to be on court/on the tour/doesn't give a rats a _ _.

Nadia is probably a combo of Sveta (talent) and Elena (disciplined hard worker)
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Re: Why did Kuznetsova end up with a better career than Dementieva and Petrova?

Kuznetsova's all-court game was devastatingly good when on. She had a good serve, fantastic forehand, great defense and good volleys. Her next slam is due next year, so we'll see this in action again
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3) Her mental weakness is exaggerated. She just has risky and unclever shot selection most of the time. Looks good on the rare occasions she makes them, but is read as "mental weakness" when she doesn't. People just fail to accept this is part of her game.
Also this, kinda. Kuznetsova was never really a classical choker in the Novotna/Dementieva mould -- she was completely calm and poised throughout that RG final against Safina for example. I don't really think some of what's been described as her "chokes" over her career were a result of her getting crippled with nerves. Her headcaseyness is more because her concentration is very flaky and she seems to struggle with motivation big time.
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her concentration is very flaky and she seems to struggle with motivation big time.
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Kuznetsova's all-court game was devastatingly good when on. She had a good serve, fantastic forehand, great defense and good volleys. Her next slam is due next year, so we'll see this in action again
I miss this Sveta
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