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Old May 31st, 2013, 08:57 PM   #1
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Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

I guess is about cultural difference but it is really odd to arrest someone for "remaining in any one place with no apparent purpose"

I know that it may lead to prostitution, gang activity, etc and I could understand these being the crimes but just the fact of loitering itself being a crime escapes my comprehension.

I'm sure 99% of Spanish people know nothing of this law (apparently used mainly in US and Australia) and would certainly freak out if they knew this is illegal. I mean, we don't even have an word for loitering, there is not such a word in the Spanish language
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Old May 31st, 2013, 09:13 PM   #2
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

I have no problem with loitering when they are not doing it around private property.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 09:16 PM   #3
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

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I have no problem with loitering when they are not doing it around private property.
But then again that would be another crime, trespassing private property
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Old May 31st, 2013, 09:24 PM   #4
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

My hometown used to have a law called "drunk in car." It was used specifically to hassle blacks and Hispanics. Basically, they would just pull over any car with blacks or Hispanics in it, and if they found any trace of booze they'd ticket 'em or arrest 'em even IF THE DRIVER WAS SOBER.

Eventually, the law was struck down by the courts.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 10:31 PM   #5
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

I didn't know this even existed
I'm in that 99% I guess.
But I think it's crazy
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:21 PM   #6
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

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I guess is about cultural difference but it is really odd to arrest someone for "remaining in any one place with no apparent purpose"
Stacy Allister is a criminal!


In all serious though, it just gives the police the legal power to do something before actual trouble starts. You're not going to go to prison for spending to long sitting on a park bench!
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:40 PM   #7
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

In my neighborhood there is a plate with "no loitering". I don't even know what it means! Does it mean that I can't sit in a park nearby for a period of time? What are some more specific examples?
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:57 PM   #8
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

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In all serious though, it just gives the police the legal power to do something before actual trouble starts. You're not going to go to prison for spending to long sitting on a park bench!
True. And its also used to sanction ppl using "code words" to try to commit victimless crimes. For example, based on when I lived in NYC:

The ticket scalpers outside Madison Square Garden wouldn't call out that they were selling tickets, they'd act like ppl trying to buy tix (saying "who's selling tickets", etc. as their calling card).

The hookers working the streets wouldn't offer sex, they'd say "you going out?" or other innocuous questions. Which were also a "calling card".

So were drug dealers saying "Smoke, smoke", etc. (who'd signal a runner to bring whatever when they made a sale).

Maybe the words have changed in the quarter century since, but the point is the same; and they authorities use the rather murky "loitering for the purpose of...." (the presumed intended act) to enhance the fine for loitering.

Of course the cops knew exactly what was being communicated, but entrapment is illegal (not that it isn't done, especially putting those thought to have terrorist sympathies up to stuff).

The loitering statutes are also used to "crack down on" the homeless. On this point I'll bash the NY Civil Liberties Union though, as a lot of the homeless on the streets clearly needed help (involuntarily if necessary, IMO) but civil liberties lawyers living in fancy digs were quite ready to defend the "right" of ppl 2B homeless vagrants for years on end.

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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

I always thought loitering was to stop being just standing around in front of private businesses, even if they were technically on public property.
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Old Jun 1st, 2013, 12:37 AM   #10
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

No rule like that or anything close to it in here
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

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I'm sure 99% of Spanish people know nothing of this law (apparently used mainly in US and Australia) and would certainly freak out if they knew this is illegal. I mean, we don't even have an word for loitering, there is not such a word in the Spanish language
So true.
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Old Jun 1st, 2013, 01:58 AM   #12
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

Oh, I also had a friend of mine (white, but long-haired) picked up for "attempted vagrancy" in some town--it was another law on the books to hassle blacks, Hispanics and obvious communists like my friend.
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

When i was young I thought that it was littering spelt wrong...
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

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In all serious though, it just gives the police the legal power to do something before actual trouble starts. You're not going to go to prison for spending to long sitting on a park bench!
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I always thought loitering was to stop being just standing around in front of private businesses, even if they were technically on public property.
this.

hypothetically, if a bunch of people were just hanging out on the sidewalk in front of your house or school or store, wouldn't you want to be able to tell them to leave?
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Re: Is loitering the most retarded "crime"?

I made one year of jail for loitering.
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