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View Poll Results: Greatest person in the 20th century

Churchill 1 14.29%
FDR 1 14.29%
Lenin 1 14.29%
Stalin 0 0%
Einstein 1 14.29%
MLK 0 0%
Woodrow Wilson 0 0%
Ghandi 0 0%
Inventors of condom and birth pills 2 28.57%
Hitler 1 14.29%
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Old Yesterday, 06:17 PM   #1
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Greatest person in the 20th century

Here greatest has a neutral meaning, say in 'greatest impact' or else, doesn't necessarily have to be positive.

Case for Churchill;

Yes he wasn't perfect, was for chemical warfare during WWI, was for bombing the Iraquois rebels in 1922 or something as a cost effective measure, was an unabashed Imperialist, hence hated Ghandi, etc..

But consider this. He was practically the only major British politician who consistently warned against Hitler during the 1930s when Conservatives especially looked benignly on Hitler as the bulwark against Communism.

Actually his stature even after becoming PM was precarious at best; Conservatives applauded Chamberlain when he entered the Parliament chamber, not him. If he failed, there was every possibility that he might be ousted and be replaced by arch appeaser Lord Halifax. Halifax will surely have made peace with Germany.

FDR wanted to intervene, but he thought the possibility of England surviving pretty slim. And the Isolationist force comprising all ideological spectrum was so strong.

Imagine if Halifax made peace with Germany; FDR wouldn't intervene, Stalin also, ever the pragmatist(the infamous Ribbentrop-Molotov pact), he would've begged Hitler for any kind or neutral or friendly relations.

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I think we've had this poll before and that may explain why there have been no replies up to now. As before, I say FDR who proved that when wealthy elites get their way society and the world are screwed. His reforms are what made the USA great. FDR remains # 1 in my book and that of many people.
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I think we've had this poll before and that may explain why there have been no replies up to now. As before, I say FDR who proved that when wealthy elites get their way society and the world are screwed. His reforms are what made the USA great. FDR remains # 1 in my book and that of many people.
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Reporting Nazi atrocities to the Western Allies[edit]
From 1942 Karski reported to the Polish, British and U.S. governments on the situation in Poland, especially on the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto and the Holocaust of Polish Jews. He had also carried out of Poland a microfilm with further information from the underground movement on the extermination of European Jews in German-occupied Poland. The Polish Foreign Minister Count Edward Raczynski provided the Allies on this basis one of the earliest and most accurate accounts of the Holocaust. A note by Raczynski entitled The mass extermination of Jews in German occupied Poland, addressed to the governments of the United Nations on 10 December 1942, would later be published along with other documents in a widely distributed leaflet.[8]

Karski met with Polish politicians in exile including the Prime Minister, as well as members of political parties such as the Socialist Party, National Party, Labor Party, People's Party, Jewish Bund and Poalei Zion. He also spoke to the British Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden, giving a detailed statement on what he had seen in Warsaw and Bełżec. In 1943 in London he met journalist Arthur Koestler, author of Darkness at Noon. He then traveled to the United States, and on July 28, 1943 Karski personally met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the Oval Office, telling him about the situation in Poland and becoming the first eyewitness to tell him about the Jewish Holocaust.[9] During their meeting Roosevelt asked about the condition of horses in Poland.[10] Roosevelt did not ask one question about the Jews.[11] Karski went on to meet with many other government and civic leaders in the United States, including Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, Cordell Hull, William Joseph Donovan, and Rabbi Stephen Wise. Frankfurter, skeptical of Karski's report, said later "I did not say that he was lying, I said that I could not believe him. There is a difference."[12] Karski presented his report to media, bishops of various denominations (including Cardinal Samuel Stritch), members of the Hollywood film industry and artists, but without much result. His warning about the Yalta solution and the plight of stateless peoples became an inspiration for the formation of the Office of High Commissioner for Refugees after the war.[13] In 1944 Karski published Courier from Poland: The Story of a Secret State (with a selection featured in Collier's six weeks before the book's publication),[14][15] in which he related his experiences in wartime Poland. The book was a major success (a film of it was planned but never realized) with more than 400,000 copies sold alone in the United States up to the end of World War II.

My Report to the World: The Story of a Secret State was re-published by Georgetown University Press and released on March 18, 2013. A Tribute to Jan Karski panel discussion was held at the University in conjunction with the book release, and featured a discussion of Karski's legacy by School of Foreign Service Dean Carol Lancaster, Georgetown University Chair of the Board of Directors Paul Tagliabue, Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, Polish Ambassador Ryszard Schnepf and Rabbi Harold S. White.[16]

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Someone who asks about conditions of horses in Poland during II WW can't be called the biggest figure of the XXth century.

Not to mention that he also has said "we need Soviets more than Poles".


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And to me there were too many great people in the XXth Century, and most of them are not included in the poll.
Hitler? Stalin? Lenin? That is so disrespectful to their victims.
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I think we've had this poll before and that may explain why there have been no replies up to now. As before, I say FDR who proved that when wealthy elites get their way society and the world are screwed. His reforms are what made the USA great. FDR remains # 1 in my book and that of many people.
Only in wake of the Great Depression in America. Once he sided with Stalin against Churchill the whole Central & Eastern Europe were screwed for the next 50 years. If only D-Day happened in Yugoslavia like Churchill wanted to we'd be talking different world order now. FDR is directly responsible for the Iron Curtain and that won't be forgotten that quickly.
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Princess Diana, Mother Theresa
i'd personally disagree with mother teresa considering she re-used dirty needles on sick children, and how she refused to give some dying kids treatment because she thought that the more suffering they had, the closer to god they were. yet when she was dying she went to the most expensive and prestigious health clinic in europe.
and she doesn't cut 'greatest person' in power or influence either imo.
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Only in wake of the Great Depression in America. Once he sided with Stalin against Churchill the whole Central & Eastern Europe were screwed for the next 50 years. If only D-Day happened in Yugoslavia like Churchill wanted to we'd be talking different world order now. FDR is directly responsible for the Iron Curtain and that won't be forgotten that quickly.
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