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Old Apr 30th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #1
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Oklahoma: Botched Execution Raises "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" Questions

Let me make this clear. This is not about whether the prisoner was guilty or not.

This is about the 8th Amendment in the US Constitution.


They actually tookthe man to the hospital to resusciate him, in ordert to executure him again.
But he died of heart attack.

There was another execution scheduled the same day, that has been postponed for two weeks.

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Inmate dies following botched Oklahoma execution, second execution delayed


An Oklahoma inmate who was supposed to be executed Tuesday instead died of a heart attack after the execution was botched, state officials said.
Clayton Lockett’s execution Tuesday night was halted after about 20 minutes due to an issue with a vein, the Associated Press reported. Not long after Lockett was deemed unconscious from the first of three drugs, he began “writhing on the gurney,” according to the Associated Press. He was declared dead 43 minutes after the execution began.


Lockett and Charles F. Warner were both supposed to be executed Tuesday night, Lockett at 6 p.m. and Warner at 8 p.m. After the botched execution, Warner’s execution has been stayed for two weeks. Lockett was convicted of shooting a teenager and watching as she was buried alive; Warner was convicted of raping and murdering his girlfriend’s 11-month-old baby.


The attorney for Warner had criticized the use of an experimental new drug protocol in the execution earlier on Tuesday.
“Because the issue of secrecy in lethal injection has not been substantively addressed by the courts, Clayton Lockett and Charles Warner will be executed without basic information about the experimental combination of drugs used in their deaths,” Madeline Cohen said in a statement. “Despite repeated requests by counsel, the state has refused, again, and again, to provide information about the source, purity, testing and efficacy of the drugs to be used.”


Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) said in a statement Tuesday night that she was issuing a two-week stay of execution for Warner.
“I have asked the Department of Corrections to conduct a full review of Oklahoma’s execution procedures to determine what happened and why during this evening’s execution of Clayton Derrell Lockett,” she said.


Lockett’s death, meant to be the 20th execution of the year in the U.S., was the second botched execution so far in 2014. In January, Dennis McGuire’s execution in Ohio lasted for nearly 25 minutes; he choked, gasped and struggled before dying. McGuire’s execution, like that of Lockett, used the drug midazolam (which has also been used in five other executions this year).


The Oklahoma execution comes after the state changed its lethal injection protocol last month; the two executions in the state earlier this year, both in January, were three-drug combinations using the drug pentobarbital.


This episode follows a lengthy scramble by multiple states to maintain lethal injection despite drug shortages. As a result of these shortages, states have had to change the drugs they use for executions and have tried a number of different drug combinations. The first four executions this year were carried out using four different drug combinations.


“In 2014, we have a far riskier, more haphazard lethal injection procedure than we ever have had throughout the country,” Deborah W. Denno, a death penalty expert and a professor at Fordham Law School, told The Post earlier this year.


Capital punishment remains on the decline in the U.S. Several states have banned the practice in recent years, while the number of executions overall has dropped. While a majority of Americans still support capital punishment, that level of support is the lowest it has been since 1972.


Richard C. Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center, said shortly after the botched Ohio execution that similar executions could shock the public.


“If that were happening regularly, this whole thing might unravel,” Dieter said. “The public does not like that. It supports the death penalty, but it has to be massaged or covered…with some veil of humaneness.”


Still, even as the U.S. executed fewer people last year than any year since 2008, the country is still among the five nations that executed the most people in 2013.
Bailey Elise McBride of the Associated Press tweeted a series of nightmarish details about the botched execution in Oklahoma shortly after it occurred:


source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...ution-delayed/
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Old Apr 30th, 2014, 06:16 PM   #2
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Lockett was convicted of shooting a teenager and watching as she was buried alive; Warner was convicted of raping and murdering his girlfriend’s 11-month-old baby.
I feel far worse about how badly they suffered.
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I feel far worse about how badly they suffered.
But the state is not morally and ethically on equal footing with a criminal and convicted murderer.

Yes, this guy did terrible things, but there is also a reason for the 8th amendment.

I saw the reporting on this CNN yesterday, the pool journalists allowed to witness the execution thought the warden was so uncomfortable that he had to pull the curtain to block the witnesses from looking.
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Execution is cruel and unusual punishment anyway. The U.S. needs to do away with this.
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But the state is not morally and ethically on equal footing with a criminal and convicted murderer.

THis did terrible things, but there is also a reason for the 8th amendment.

I saw the reporting on this CNN yesterday, the pool journalist allowed to witness the execution thought the warden was so uncomfortable that they had to pull the curtain to block the witnesses from looking.
You're right that the state is not morally and ethically on equal footing with a convicted murderer. However I doubt that the state actually intended for things to end up this way.

In this case perhaps the saying that "karma is a bitch" is true.
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You're right that the state is not morally and ethically on equal footing with a convicted murderer. However I doubt that the state actually intended for things to end up this way.

In this case perhaps the saying that "karma is a bitch" is true.
At best, the state was negligent.

Because more and more European and South American countries who make some of the drugs used in execution in the US are refusing to export those drug to the US, some state are making their own cocktails of drugs that have proven to lead to incident like these.
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At best, the state was negligent.

Because more and more European and South American countries who make some of the drugs used in execution in the US are refusing to export those drug to the US, some state are making their own cocktails of drugs that have proven to lead to incident like these.
Well, there's the firing squad, hanging, gas chamber and if push comes to shove "Old Sparky" as alternatives.
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Well, there's the firing squad, hanging, gas chamber and if push comes to shove "Old Sparky" as alternatives.
Hell, when you think about it, the firing squad is probably the quickest, most foolproof and most humane way to do it.
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Well, there's the firing squad, hanging, gas chamber and if push comes to shove "Old Sparky" as alternatives.
Those are considered barbaric pratices left to the likes of North Korea and several countries in the Middle East.
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Those are considered barbaric pratices left to the likes of North Korea and several countries in the Middle East.
Considered barbaric by whom?
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Considered barbaric by whom?
By Americans; which is they are not used.

No American state wants to be in the same league as China or North Korean when tit comes to crime and punishment.
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Those are considered barbaric pratices left to the likes of North Korea and several countries in the Middle East.
Yeah, injecting a deadly (and sometimes defective) serum is not barbaric at all

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No American state wants to be in the same league as China or North Korean when tit comes to crime and punishment.
Having a death penalty puts America in the same league with above mentioned countries Choosing a lethal injection as a method to do it doesn't make much difference
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By Americans; which is they are not used.

No American state wants to be in the same league as China or North Korean when tit comes to crime and punishment.
Not true. Several states still have those methods. It's just that lethal injection has become all the rage. The condemned can often choose the method of their execution. Most don't want to suffer like their victims so they choose the needle. I suspect that's going to change now.
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Well, there's the firing squad, hanging, gas chamber and if push comes to shove "Old Sparky" as alternatives.
You forgot one.

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You forgot one.

Not really, JR. The U.S. has never used chop chop.
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