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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #436
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Re: Why is Graf overlooked?

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Our country was ROBBED of what could have been. Monica could have went on to be the most famous GOAT of all time. However, we will never know. Because Germany, through her citizens, whether it be Gunther or Graf's father, put a stop on Monica. And Germany as a nation gave its blessing and approval by letting the stabber go free. This is all history,and you Graf Tards can come all you want with these upside down and sidways explanations but it doesn't change the fact that Graf's record is TAINTED and it was done by the Germans for a German Player!!
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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 01:18 PM   #437
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This is something wholy different. Excelsior is alluding to the fact that the wound healed in a week, like Monica was a weakling for not coming back sooner.

Once she came back, those results stand...never disputed that one.
Why am I even responding to you? You're ascribing things to me that I didn't even say). Never called Monica a weakling.

Any discussion I bring up, regarding Monica's response--is an outgrowth of many Seles Stans claims.

So many of them act like she was near mortally injured. My only point was, she wasn't (the 1 week comments). Unfortunately, that goes with the territory.

It was more of an emotional issue. That's all (in comparison to the actual injury). No slight or judgment on Monica.
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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 01:34 PM   #438
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Our country was ROBBED of what could have been. Monica could have went on to be the most famous GOAT of all time. However, we will never know. Because Germany, through her citizens, whether it be Gunther or Graf's father, put a stop on Monica. And Germany as a nation gave its blessing and approval by letting the stabber go free. This is all history,and you Graf Tards can come all you want with these upside down and sidways explanations but it doesn't change the fact that Graf's record is TAINTED and it was done by the Germans for a German Player!!
See Bandabou (lord why am I even responding to you again ), it's comments like this that prompt some of my responses and questions.

If this poster feels this passionately about what they said (and only because of posters like this), aren't they a little disappointed--or just accept the fact how Monica handled the post stabbing (and no--I'm not blaming her)? He's saying she could have been "the greatest of all time", while holding the great nation of Germany responsible. And he's not alone (as crazy as he and that sounds).

OK... If he truly feels that way...Monica could still physically prove it. And for whatever reason, she didn't (no problems with that). Otherwise, don't say it.

This has nothing to do with how I judge Monica. Not at all. I respect her. And it was very unfortunate. It's more so, how I would respond to people like him.

It's/they're nuts.

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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 03:08 PM   #439
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Re: Why is Graf overlooked?

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Our country was ROBBED of what could have been.
As far as I know,prior to stabbing Monica played and won 8(of her 9) Slams for Yugoslavia,not for the US and it is the question would she change her citizenship if she was not stabbed...

So,if you want to theorize about who is robbed it would have been Yugoslavia,certainly not US! So,don't get overexcited

P.S.But as nobody knows what might have been the term robbed is just a product of someone's imagination based on theory!

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so obsessed...

you also forgot to mention that every sucess of a german athlete is tainted cause germany started 2 world wars
Ohhh,yes.Germany is guilty for everything

I just wonder how would he feel about US and justice if he had to go back to the time the colonies and slavery...not good I suppose!

We just can't blame countries or nations as whole,that's just stupid,so low and narrow minded!
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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 03:32 PM   #441
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Ohhh,yes.Germany is guilty for everything

I just wonder how would he feel about US and justice if he had to go back to the time the colonies and slavery...not good I suppose!

We just can't blame countries or nations as whole,that's just stupid and so low!
That's because he appears to take this Graf thing so personally.

Hopefully it's all an act or just his schtick/calling card (in addition to his work out regimen, sky diving, motorcycle and proclivities for younger ladies).
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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 03:33 PM   #442
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So,if you want to theorize about who is robbed it would have been Yugoslavia,certainly not US! So,don't get overexcited
I guess his wish was that Monica won everything for US,so he forgot about the country Monica won most for And that's Yugoslavia indeed

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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 04:11 PM   #443
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Why am I even responding to you? You're ascribing things to me that I didn't even say). Never called Monica a weakling.

Any discussion I bring up, regarding Monica's response--is an outgrowth of many Seles Stans claims.

So many of them act like she was near mortally injured. My only point was, she wasn't (the 1 week comments). Unfortunately, that goes with the territory.

It was more of an emotional issue. That's all (in comparison to the actual injury). No slight or judgment on Monica.
That's the thing...Graf-tards immediately jump..I'm discussing only 93-95, that period. Not what happened afterwards.

I think without stabbing, Seles had a good chance of taking a few of those majors during that period... all I'm saying.

But then you guys go: yeah, it was a 1 mm, blah blah, yada yaa.
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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 05:29 PM   #444
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Ohhh,yes.Germany is guilty for everything

I just wonder how would he feel about US and justice if he had to go back to the time the colonies and slavery...not good I suppose!

We just can't blame countries or nations as whole,that's just stupid,so low and narrow minded!
I guess this guy is just selectively critical,this is the case you see bad things only in another man's yard.
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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #445
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Ohhh,yes.Germany is guilty for everything

I just wonder how would he feel about US and justice if he had to go back to the time the colonies and slavery...not good I suppose!

We just can't blame countries or nations as whole,that's just stupid,so low and narrow minded!
You certainly don't have to go as far back as slavery to blame the Good Ole USA for stuff We Did/Do around the world.
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Old Oct 9th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #446
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You certainly don't have to go as far back as slavery to blame the Good Ole USA for stuff We Did/Do around the world.
I know,but this was pointed directly to him and how would he feel due to specific treatment of people who were "different" at that time of colonies and slavery in US...

The point was that nowhere and nobody is perfect and to blame just one country/nation is ridiculous,like he does with everything that is German!We should all look around ourselves first before accusing someone else for doing the same thing...
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Old Oct 10th, 2012, 09:57 AM   #447
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you also forgot to mention that every sucess of a german athlete is tainted cause germany started 2 world wars
Lol to that

He obviously wants to bring national collective guiltiness into discussion here!
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Old Oct 10th, 2012, 10:10 AM   #448
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Re: Why is Graf overlooked?

People still think of her as perfect athlete Lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHMaZOd5TCg

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People still think of her as perfect athlete Lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHMaZOd5TCg

Yup, the Nazi were famous for saying they are perfect!! If Hitler could have had a Gunther back in 1936, he would have surely stabbed Jesse Owens.. Ditto for Joe Loius when he fought Max Schelling. All from the Master Race of Germany..
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Yup, the Nazi were famous for saying they are perfect!! If Hitler could have had a Gunther back in 1936, he would have surely stabbed Jesse Owens.. Ditto for Joe Loius when he fought Max Schelling. All from the Master Race of Germany..
you have some serious problems... serious problems...

from steffi graf to hitler and the nazis... wtf?!
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