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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 03:33 AM   #241
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Re: Why is Graf overlooked?

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People on this board discredit Graf all the time because of it. Saying Monica would have dominated her if she hadn't have been stabbed. There's your answer.
Lol but Nadal Dominates Federer and everyone still calls him GOAT.
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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 05:02 AM   #242
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Lol but Nadal Dominates Federer and everyone still calls him GOAT.
And you can imagine if someone is already proclaimed the GOAT and wins 2/3 of the matches she played with her rival!By this she cemented her tennis credibility as the commentators said at the US Open final in '95!
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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 09:12 AM   #243
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And you can imagine if someone is already proclaimed the GOAT and wins 2/3 of the matches she played with her rival!By this she cemented her tennis credibility as the commentators said at the US Open final in '95!
And the 96 US Open final which Steffi won decisively. All commentators were in unison that Graf was by far the better player. The joint No 1 ranking was fools gold.. And it wasn't down to Monica and the oft repeated issues she had, she had won Australia and was not at her heaviest. She was simply outplayed and Steffi didn't let her win.

As for the thread title, Steffi isn't overlooked. She sold out Wimbledon Centre Court in minutes for the roof inauguration, and everyone I know is fully aware of who she is!
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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #244
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And the 96 US Open final which Steffi won decisively. All commentators were in unison that Graf was by far the better player.
Yes, but before the final in '95 the commentators said how impressive she was since her come back,winning 11 matches in a row without losing a set, with winning Toronto losing only 14 games and losing just 23 games before the final, while Graf lost in 1st round of the previous tournament and lost a set and 41 games until the US Open final...

After that they said that Monica looked more impressive and that Graf now has to beat her if she wants to justify everything she has won while Monica was away and to prove that she is indeed a better player...
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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #245
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As for the thread title, Steffi isn't overlooked. She sold out Wimbledon Centre Court in minutes for the roof inauguration, and everyone I know is fully aware of who she is!
Yes,that's why they make those threads
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And the 96 US Open final which Steffi won decisively. All commentators were in unison that Graf was by far the better player. The joint No 1 ranking was fools gold.. And it wasn't down to Monica and the oft repeated issues she had, she had won Australia and was not at her heaviest. She was simply outplayed and Steffi didn't let her win.

As for the thread title, Steffi isn't overlooked. She sold out Wimbledon Centre Court in minutes for the roof inauguration, and everyone I know is fully aware of who she is!
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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 08:23 PM   #247
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Re: Why is Graf overlooked?

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Graf overlooked by Seles nutters? On the contrary, Seles nutters are obsessed with Graf 24/7, while they sleep, while they eat, while they work, while they they breath, while they pee. Sad that people who dislike Graf still make their entire sad excuses of a life all about here.
Wrong!!

Here is the real deal. Everytime Serena shines, the Graf-Tards come up with some bullchit thread about Steffi. Others reply.

As far Steffi is concerned, and not what the Graf-Tards around here say and post, Graf's Slam Record, and Graf's whole tennis record after the stabbing is TAINTED. There will always be an artiesk beside Graf's record.

You all can scream that bullchit until you blue in the face, doesn't change that fact.

You can say Steffi is the goat, but history has it otherwise..

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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 08:25 PM   #248
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Re: Why is Graf overlooked?

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Lol but Nadal Dominates Federer and everyone still calls him GOAT.
and that said Nadal does 10 times better vs Federer then Seles ever did vs Graf.


Peak Seles vs Graf on Graf's court at Wimbledon: Graf wins 6-2, 6-1. Seles is too scared to ever play Graf on grass again and makes sure to lose to Studenikova and Lucic in early rounds long before coming anywhere near Graf in next 2 Wimbledon appearances with Graf in draw. Her confidence is so shaken by this brutal beatdown she never makes it past a quarterfinal of Wimbledon again.

Peak Nadal vs Federer on Federer's court at Wimbledon: Nadal wins in 5 sets.

Peak Seles vs Graf on Seles's court at French Open: Seles wins 10-8 in final set, having to play one of her best matches ever to hold off 66 unforced error Graf.

Peak Nadal vs Federer on Nadal's court at French Open: 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 for Nadal.


Seles in 2 best years ever (1991 and 1992) vs Graf:

6-4, 6-3 loss on hard courts (losing 11 of last 14 games)
7-5, 6-7, 6-2 loss on clay (was down 7-5, 5-2 before a rare Graf choked allowed a 3rd set)
6-2, 3-6, 10-8 win on clay
6-2, 6-1 on grass in one of worst ever slam final defeats by #1


Meanwhile baby Nadal wins 6 of his first 7 matches with peak Federer and never looks back again in the head to head.

Yet despite that Nadal is considered by far the inferior player today since he has 6 fewer slams. Yet Seles who is even much further behind Graf in achievements, and fared about 10% as well in head to head play is what exactly. Well other than cheesburger and Krispy Kremes annual champion of the WTA.
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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 08:28 PM   #249
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You can say Steffi is the goat, but history has it otherwise..
You are right, history has not only Graf as the GOAT but Seles as only 10th or 11th best all time, so otherwise indeed as you missed that latter part, making it only a partial truth. History also has you as a dirty, smelly, creepy man who spends his life moaning about Steffi Graf on some random internet forum, as his wife cries from above that she peed herself again and needs her hubby to help but he screams he is too busy stalking some tennis player he hates on some internet forum. Have a nice day.
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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #250
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and that said Nadal does 10 times better vs Federer then Seles ever did vs Graf.


Peak Seles vs Graf on Graf's court at Wimbledon: Graf wins 6-2, 6-1. Seles is too scared to ever play Graf on grass again and makes sure to lose to Studenikova and Lucic in early rounds long before coming anywhere near Graf in next 2 Wimbledon appearances with Graf in draw. Her confidence is so shaken by this brutal beatdown she never makes it past a quarterfinal of Wimbledon again.

Peak Nadal vs Federer on Federer's court at Wimbledon: Nadal wins in 5 sets.

Peak Seles vs Graf on Seles's court at French Open: Seles wins 10-8 in final set, having to play one of her best matches ever to hold off 66 unforced error Graf.

Peak Nadal vs Federer on Nadal's court at French Open: 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 for Nadal.


Seles in 2 best years ever (1991 and 1992) vs Graf:

6-4, 6-3 loss on hard courts (losing 11 of last 14 games)
7-5, 6-7, 6-2 loss on clay (was down 7-5, 5-2 before a rare Graf choked allowed a 3rd set)
6-2, 3-6, 10-8 win on clay
6-2, 6-1 on grass in one of worst ever slam final defeats by #1


Meanwhile baby Nadal wins 6 of his first 7 matches with peak Federer and never looks back again in the head to head.

Yet despite that Nadal is considered by far the inferior player today since he has 6 fewer slams. Yet Seles who is even much further behind Graf in achievements, and fared about 10% as well in head to head play is what exactly. Well other than cheesburger and Krispy Kremes annual champion of the WTA.
I hate to say it. But Nuff said!!

Didn't want to pour oil to the flame here. But had to commend you on your selected facts insights and logic.
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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #251
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Re: Why is Graf overlooked?

Oh good Lord, does this ever end??

In grim darkness of the far future, there is only Graf-Seles threads.
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Peak Seles vs Graf on Graf's court at Wimbledon: Graf wins 6-2, 6-1. Seles is too scared to ever play Graf on grass again and makes sure to lose to Studenikova and Lucic in early rounds long before coming anywhere near Graf in next 2 Wimbledon appearances with Graf in draw. Her confidence is so shaken by this brutal beatdown she never makes it past a quarterfinal of Wimbledon again.
Seriously!?
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Old Sep 25th, 2012, 09:06 PM   #253
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Seriously!?
PEAK Seles vs Graf at Wimbledon. Read it and weep:

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Subsequent Wimbledons for Seles saw losses to Studenikova, Zvereva, Lucic, a bagel eaten by an injured and subpar Davenport, and a straight sets loss to baby pre prime Henin who is herself like Seles a grass court mug without the grass skills to even hope for a Wimbledon title even in her peak years to come.
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and that said Nadal does 10 times better vs Federer then Seles ever did vs Graf.


Peak Seles vs Graf on Graf's court at Wimbledon: Graf wins 6-2, 6-1. Seles is too scared to ever play Graf on grass again and makes sure to lose to Studenikova and Lucic in early rounds long before coming anywhere near Graf in next 2 Wimbledon appearances with Graf in draw. Her confidence is so shaken by this brutal beatdown she never makes it past a quarterfinal of Wimbledon again.

Peak Nadal vs Federer on Federer's court at Wimbledon: Nadal wins in 5 sets.

Peak Seles vs Graf on Seles's court at French Open: Seles wins 10-8 in final set, having to play one of her best matches ever to hold off 66 unforced error Graf.

Peak Nadal vs Federer on Nadal's court at French Open: 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 for Nadal.


Seles in 2 best years ever (1991 and 1992) vs Graf:

6-4, 6-3 loss on hard courts (losing 11 of last 14 games)
7-5, 6-7, 6-2 loss on clay (was down 7-5, 5-2 before a rare Graf choked allowed a 3rd set)
6-2, 3-6, 10-8 win on clay
6-2, 6-1 on grass in one of worst ever slam final defeats by #1


Meanwhile baby Nadal wins 6 of his first 7 matches with peak Federer and never looks back again in the head to head.

Yet despite that Nadal is considered by far the inferior player today since he has 6 fewer slams. Yet Seles who is even much further behind Graf in achievements, and fared about 10% as well in head to head play is what exactly. Well other than cheesburger and Krispy Kremes annual champion of the WTA.

Peak Federer in 2008? Men's tennis aside, making fun of Seles shows you're biased against her. Why the childish comments if you truly believe Graf is the better player? I don't think anybody here argues Seles is the greater/better player. What is argued is that Graf wouldn't have been considered the GOAT without the stabbing which is perfectly reasonable. A 21-22 year-old player in the middle of their prime getting dethroned by another player is almost unheard of. Federer was 27 in 2008, big difference. Despite the h2h, it took Nadal 2.5 years to reach no.1 after his breakthrough while Seles was the dominant player the next year. There was no sign of her stopping either. Surely she wouldn't have magically stopped winning slams and let Graf have the records she has today.
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Re: Why is Graf overlooked?

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and that said Nadal does 10 times better vs Federer then Seles ever did vs Graf.


Peak Seles vs Graf on Graf's court at Wimbledon: Graf wins 6-2, 6-1. Seles is too scared to ever play Graf on grass again and makes sure to lose to Studenikova and Lucic in early rounds long before coming anywhere near Graf in next 2 Wimbledon appearances with Graf in draw. Her confidence is so shaken by this brutal beatdown she never makes it past a quarterfinal of Wimbledon again.

Peak Nadal vs Federer on Federer's court at Wimbledon: Nadal wins in 5 sets.

Peak Seles vs Graf on Seles's court at French Open: Seles wins 10-8 in final set, having to play one of her best matches ever to hold off 66 unforced error Graf.

Peak Nadal vs Federer on Nadal's court at French Open: 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 for Nadal.


Seles in 2 best years ever (1991 and 1992) vs Graf:

6-4, 6-3 loss on hard courts (losing 11 of last 14 games)
7-5, 6-7, 6-2 loss on clay (was down 7-5, 5-2 before a rare Graf choked allowed a 3rd set)
6-2, 3-6, 10-8 win on clay
6-2, 6-1 on grass in one of worst ever slam final defeats by #1


Meanwhile baby Nadal wins 6 of his first 7 matches with peak Federer and never looks back again in the head to head.

Yet despite that Nadal is considered by far the inferior player today since he has 6 fewer slams. Yet Seles who is even much further behind Graf in achievements, and fared about 10% as well in head to head play is what exactly. Well other than cheesburger and Krispy Kremes annual champion of the WTA.

Disgusting post all around. You and Excelsior have a lot in common.
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