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Old Dec 10th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #706
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David Cook and Jordin Sparks first ALBUM have gone to 1 million sales
1 million albums compared to the "millions" of people watching idol and voting?? and then a second album that doesn't even break 200K??? meaning that in 5 years, neither of them have managed to sell 1.5 mil copies of 2 albums?? taylor swift sells that in about a week or 2

i can see how that makes the winner of these shows guaranteed success
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Old Dec 11th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #707
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I said more likely, doesn't mean they will for sure, but they have better chances to do well than someone who would have been dragged in that spot by the producers. Of course you need a good team behind you, winning the show doesn't guarantee you a platinum album. All I'm saying is that if the producers rigged the results and put someone in the final or eliminate someone else only for shock value and "ratings" people will get bored of voting and they will stop watching the show altogether and that potential winner that nobody really wanted there won't even sell albums. I mean if you can't get enough votes to make it far in a show your chances to release a successful album are really slim. The producers will end up with poor ratings and poor album sales...
and people have gotten the votes to win/go far and STILL get poor album sales... there was a rumour going around that voting was rigged when Kris Allen won over Adam Lambert - hasn't mattered to either of their sales Lee DeWyze won and got dropped; Fantasia over the span of 8 years has about 2.8 mil in album sales; Ruben has 2.6 mil over 9 years and taylor hicks 760K in 6 years

eg: producers can rig it if they want to make sure Carly gets the 5mil contract cause she may have a better image for endorsements (Nivea, Cover Girl whatever)- and with their usually onerous contracts they'd probably own her image (which they can tweak as they like given her age much like L.A did with Rihanna) and make a good portion of whatever she makes from things outside of album sales as well...Tate, in their opinion, probably won't be any good to them outside of album sales so with a chance that he flops, they don't get nearly as much money back in their pockets (sort of like Lee DeWyze)

OR you can turn it around: make Tate "win" the 5mil contract because with his country team he has a set market so you figure he'll get some good album sales, unlike Carly who you now have to try to break into mainstream and see how people respond to different styles from her (again, like what L.A had to do for Rihanna)

the shows will continue to get ratings and voters simply because it's the in thing for reality tv but at the end of the day these people think about how to get the money into their pockets from each player left in the game...
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Old Dec 11th, 2012, 12:48 AM   #708
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and people have gotten the votes to win/go far and STILL get poor album sales... there was a rumour going around that voting was rigged when Kris Allen won over Adam Lambert - hasn't mattered to either of their sales Lee DeWyze won and got dropped; Fantasia over the span of 8 years has about 2.8 mil in album sales; Ruben has 2.6 mil over 9 years and taylor hicks 760K in 6 years

eg: producers can rig it if they want to make sure Carly gets the 5mil contract cause she may have a better image for endorsements (Nivea, Cover Girl whatever)- and with their usually onerous contracts they'd probably own her image (which they can tweak as they like given her age much like L.A did with Rihanna) and make a good portion of whatever she makes from things outside of album sales as well...Tate, in their opinion, probably won't be any good to them outside of album sales so with a chance that he flops, they don't get nearly as much money back in their pockets (sort of like Lee DeWyze)

OR you can turn it around: make Tate "win" the 5mil contract because with his country team he has a set market so you figure he'll get some good album sales, unlike Carly who you now have to try to break into mainstream and see how people respond to different styles from her (again, like what L.A had to do for Rihanna)

the shows will continue to get ratings and voters simply because it's the in thing for reality tv but at the end of the day these people think about how to get the money into their pockets from each player left in the game...
Once again lol....They have better chance at being successful after the show if they were the ones who got plenty of votes. BETTER chance, not certainty nor guarantee. Just better chances. You can pull all the numbers you want about failed winners, it doesn't mean anything cuz I've never said a winner was guaranteed success. Personally I doubt they rig any votes, it's probably only bitter fans who make up all those big conspiracies lol
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Old Dec 11th, 2012, 01:50 AM   #709
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1 million albums compared to the "millions" of people watching idol and voting?? and then a second album that doesn't even break 200K??? meaning that in 5 years, neither of them have managed to sell 1.5 mil copies of 2 albums?? taylor swift sells that in about a week or 2

i can see how that makes the winner of these shows guaranteed success
what a different, what do you expect from a reality show star? since you win it you are only be current for a year, since then you have promo you butt off just like Taylor Swift did, How many performance and TV show she get on in 2 weeks, you just can't count them, and those American Idol winner don't even got the support like Taylor Swift did, when did you see Sony Music did the same favor for any Idol winner??? once Kelly was fighting a lot agaist them, they don't even promo her 2nd single, and let the album died. that's why Arvil Lavigne left RCA too.Sony Music only care about their biggest star, they are LAZY/STUPID to always did nothing for their artists, and you just can't use Taylor Swift in those example, Taylor Swift definitely want success to do POP music nowaday to get bigger success, and her record company are honnor to do their ass of to make sure she is the biggest star on the planet.
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really???

how well did Taylor Hicks sell??? how well did Ruben sell?? David Cook? Jordin Sparks?? Kris Allen?? Dewyze or Bowersox? these singing shows have long become about who has the biggest voting base and not necessarily who people will buy afterwards, or else album sales for these people should be wayyyyy better given the amount of viewers the show averages in an entire season, and the amount of votes that are actually cast (both figures usually given in the millions by Idol)...

outside of Carrie, Kelly and Daughtry, based on the figures given by Idol, a lot of the people from Idol (winners, RUP, shock elimination you name it) have had so-so sales...some people have barely gone over 1 - 1.5 mil in total album sales for 2 or more albums over the course of a few years winning doesn't guarantee people will buy your album - a good team behind you or being suchathief or pondeforehead always having a song on the radio so you can't not hear her gets you the sales
It's how you define success - these types of shows have created only a few true international superstars with flourishing careers. But you can only depend on the show for your first single/album/era. Taylor Hicks, Ruben, Cook, Kris, and Jordin all had decent first singles or albums. Dewyze and Bowersox as a season was definitely the low point. But comparing these acts to someone like Taylor Swift is not the right way to look at it. Taylor Swift is an anomaly, a standout, not in line with actual industry expectations of acts. Katy Perry, Rihanna, and Ke$ha have had shit album sales, and continues to have shit album sales, relative to their success on radio and they have immense teams, tours, and promo behind them.

I think you seriously are overinflating what success means to these idols - people go into this show with dreams of being an star, but plenty will settle to be able to live very comfortably doing what they love - singing and performing. Taylor has been on national tours with broadway shows, and has had a residence in his own Las Vegas show. Fantasia is critically respected and regarded in the R&B industry. Kat McPhee is on TV, Jordin has had successful singles and a movie. We know the Jennifer Hudson story, Diana Degarmo has been well received on broadway, Ace Young has parlayed his experience into a presenting gig, Chris Richardson and Blake are producing and contributing to other artists, and the list of Christian, Gospel, and Country music careers that have started from Idol can go on for a while.

To judge the lack of success from Idol and other reality shows based on voting figures vs. eventual sales is just a terrible way to understand what these shows can do to change lives.
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tonight is semifinal..

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I've set my DVR to record this trainwreck for once.
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This opening has gotten me hyped
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boring song choice for Carly. Britney

Also Carly's mom scares me.
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I thought she did amazing
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God they have such annoying voices. Go home already.
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BORING songs by all the three acts thus far. Their (EMBLEM 3's) lame "moves" are grating on my last nerve.
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Really ? all the judges creaming their pants over that terrible performance ? X Factor (USA) will always be a flop.
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